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Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by ipaddr »

neuroticnews25 wrote: post #188
Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CEO was placed by the conservative party in 2017 ending decades of impartiality. He is a hack with a background in tabloid news, which has slowly swept into BBC entire ecosystem. Their entire political reporting side is headlined by Laura Kuenssberg who is on her best day mediocre and on her worst actively participatory on the decline of democratic principles in the UK. Her "mistakes" such as giving her questions…

FWIW i've heard rightwing people call BBC absolute trash for not covering the rape gangs. IDK if it sums up or averages out.

The Torys and Labour are both unpopular but both supported by the BBC. The real rightwing is reform or restore.

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Post by smoe »

djeastm wrote: post #178
smoe wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

15 years after making the decision, while working for a major news outlet, to no longer read “the news,” I can pretty confidently say: if something is important enough for you to know, it will reach you eventually anyway. Consuming news has little to do with being informed. Quite the opposite, at times.

>if something is important enough for you to know, it will reach you eventually anyway Through a friend or family member who's been watching the news?

Inevitably, yes, that is one of the ways. Albeit not a very useful one.

Keep in mind that the definition of news I’m using is specifically “reporting on recent events,” not all forms of journalism or ways in which information is shared.

It’s the former that I have gripes with and see people consume like a drug. It takes significant effort to be informed about the world, and reading the news, I think, is not a very good way to do so. The time and mental energy are better spent elsewhere.

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

I would love to have something like this for HN, a RSS feed with articles over 5 hours (5 hours because it is old enough to have comments which are often more interesting that the article, and fresh enough to get a reaction on a comment follow-up)

Re: Delayed Gratification – Proud to Be 'Last to Breaking News'

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Post by idiotsecant »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #146
coatmatter wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I encounter someone who jumps at the first opportunity to criticise "mainstream media", I ask them what their preferred outlets are. I tend to not get a response, which to me is quite telling.

I think a mixture of BBC, cnn, al jazeera, economist, will get a casual reader to a decent spot, and they're all mainstream media. Possibly guardian but emlarhically not their opinion pages (I agree with them, but even so they're gratingly opinionated, hate to think what a die hard conservative will think of them :)

CNN is increasingly sensationalist junk. I've started just reading AP for what I might read CNN for

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Post by Angostura »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #184
michaelmrose wrote: post #165

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Let's pick one. Why is the BBC trash?

The CEO was placed by the conservative party in 2017 ending decades of impartiality. He is a hack with a background in tabloid news, which has slowly swept into BBC entire ecosystem. Their entire political reporting side is headlined by Laura Kuenssberg who is on her best day mediocre and on her worst actively participatory on the decline of democratic principles in the UK. Her "mistakes" such as giving her questions…

The BBC doesn’t have a ‘CEO’ if you mean the Director General, there wasn’t one appointed in 2017. Tim Davie was appointed in 2020, with Matt Brittin appointed recently.

Possibly you mean David Clementi who was appointed in 2017 as Chair of the BBC, but he was a financier, with no background in journalism tabloids or otherwise, so not sure what you are talking about.

Laura Kuenssberg hasn’t been political editor since spring 2022. The political editor is Chris Mason.

I’m going to take the rest of your comments with a pinch salt.

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Post by randusername »

openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

News is perpetually in decline just like the old perpetually fear the young will bring humanity to ruin.

Kierkegaard in the 1850s:

"The daily press is the evil principle of the modern world, and time will only serve to disclose this fact with greater and greater clearness. The capacity of the newspaper for degeneration is sophistically without limit, since it can always sink lower and lower in its choice of readers. At last it will stir up all those dregs of humanity which no state or government can control."

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Post by tehjoker »

coatmatter wrote: post #125
josephg wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep this. I’m a paid subscriber to the economist’s podcast. A lot of their journalism is excellent. I really enjoyed the recent Tocqueville road trip. And their coverage of AI a few months ago was great - it was really interesting to hear what AI adoption in companies looks like for non technical people. Yesterday I watched a fabulous piece by the Australian 4 Corners on food fraud in our country. They did forensic r…

Whenever I encounter someone who jumps at the first opportunity to criticise "mainstream media", I ask them what their preferred outlets are. I tend to not get a response, which to me is quite telling.

Dropsite news is good, but are you familiar with manufacturing consent’s propaganda model of the mass media? A simplified explanation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M&ra=m

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Post by conductr »

randusername wrote: post #196
openasocket wrote: post #51

One thing that has really frustrated me with "mainstream media" in the last few years is that the level of effort being put into journalism seems to be on decline. I feel like half of the news articles are just a collection of quotes from officials or politicians in public statements, being regurgitated without any additional effort. Outrageous claims are just taken at face value, or at best just put alongside quotes…

News is perpetually in decline just like the old perpetually fear the young will bring humanity to ruin. Kierkegaard in the 1850s: "The daily press is the evil principle of the modern world, and time will only serve to disclose this fact with greater and greater clearness. The capacity of the newspaper for degeneration is sophistically without limit, since it can always sink lower and lower in its choice of readers.…

While the history of news quality has been cyclical, I think there’s some objective truth if you’re starting reference points is 1970ish-1990ish and on. The internet broke their financial model. They had an integrity and editorial standard; long abandoned. And, the fairness doctrine was abandoned. Fast forward a bit and the industry has or is devolved closer to what it was in your quote.

I’m sure there was still some funny business going on. They didn’t report so heavily on tabloid stuff and probably protected people in power more. But there was absolutely some level of investigative journalism in every article.

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Post by Magicrafter13 »

Cute idea, and I do think that we have way too much on our news feeds constantly, however, I don't think making news a quarterly ordeal is the right answer - that's a bit extreme.

I suppose it differs for everyone, and there's an argument that people used to do just fine living on their homesteads without much outside contact for months except the occasional visit into town to go to the general store.

But, for the majority of people, I believe weekly news is probably a good balance of relatively up-to-date information that's maybe even been filtered a bit (the good kind, filtering of noise, not the censorship kind), while still being infrequent enough as to not contribute to the continual degradation of the mind that constant feed scrolling brings.

Personally, I'd probably want a short daily feed to check either in the morning, or after work, but even then most news is annoying for me, and I prefer to mainly just look at tech news...

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