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I’ve always been told when computer shopping to “buy the fastest cpu and the most ram you can afford”. This goes doubly for revenue-generating devices. My iPhone is the computer I use most every day, by a WIDE margin.
I’m not sure this is the best advice anymore. So many people’s needs don’t demand much of a computer. My last personal computer purchase was an M1 Pro MBP 4 years ago. I could have maxed it out and my life would be the same, but instead I bought on the low end… or somewhere in the middle if we look at Apple’s lineup as a whole. It’s now 4 years later. This is the longest I’ve probably ever kept a laptop. It’s still r…
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#362Getting very expensive Mac hardware leased is where the juice is. As well as normalising subscription revenue and you own nothing of course, but the interesting dynamic will be shifting 10k hardware to developers that wouldn’t have considered dropping 10k on their setup
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#363I'm not sure I understand all the hate in this thread. I had a friend who bought a new Mac every year, selling his old Mac. His calculation was that it was about the same price as keeping one Mac and upgrading every 5 years. I'd consider leasing a Mac through this program. I priced one out, with the options I chose it's $8149, lease for $177 (6372 for 3yrs, 8496 for 4yrs). Yes, at the end of those 3 years I don't hav…
This will definitely offset some of the loss they will get from people buying a lower model phone or laptop due to the price hikes, as thats exactly what it is designed to do.
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#364The math for the new program is kinda perplexing, my guess is that they are hoping that most people just will send in the device and upgrade. If I am reading the FAQ here properly: https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade . > If you decide to buy the device, the purchase option fee is the list price minus any lease payments you’ve made minus any remaining discounts or trade-in credit. (excluding tax and any damage fe…
> my guess is that they are hoping that most people just will send in the device and upgrade. That's precisely why they set it up this way, honestly leasing always made more sense for businesses. I prefer to keep my phones, peace of mind knowing, if I lose something that somehow did not make it to the backups, I can just turn on my old phone and find it.
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> iPhone 17 pro max would be $1199 to buy (~1273 with tax) or $34.99 for 24 months totaling $839.76. So would cost 433.33 at the end of the lease to keep it A lot of people aren’t going to have that $433 at the end of the lease to purchase the device outright, and so will have to roll it into another 2-year monthly payment, and another one after that. So the goal of the program is the same as every other similar one…
Isn't the 0% APR financing essentially just a sales expense? Even if people generally don't immediately roll into another 2-year agreement, the main reason zero-interest financing works for the sellers is simply that it makes it easier for people to spend money on expensive high-margin stuff. Multi-year zero-interest loans are also commonplace in high-price, high-margin specialty retail: think La-Z-Boy, Sleep Number,…
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People must really like the dopamine rush of feeling outraged. Giving people the option to not buy insurance is not evil. It's just a seller giving a buyer options at different price points.
Giving people options that will in practice put them into spiraling debt slavery is objectively evil.
Also, no more leasing/renting cars, or really any kind of borrowing at all, as people should not have the option to become liable in the future, for anything. Because if a $1,000 to $2,000 lease puts them in a spiral of debt slavery, anything more than that surely will.
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#367Interesting decision. As far as I can tell, the iPhone Upgrade Program was structured like a loan where you owned the device but kept making payments. You then had the option to trade up to a new phone and add more months to the loan, or to pay out the remainder of the loan (24 months?) They’re discontinuing this and replacing it with Apple Upgrade, which is structured as a lease. Apple owns the device and you make p…
Your monthly payments stopping and you own a device is a world apart from your ability to pay monthly ends, and, unless you can find $x hundred dollars, you need to roll onto a new monthly lease.
Mathematically there might not be much in it from a $in/out perspective, but for people who don’t have large disposable incomes the reality is they are vastly different
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#368you see, an iphone becomes unusable the moment the glass breaks, this is what apple reps. think. so it is some packaging that in their opinion makes up critical part of the value provided by the device. not the chips inside, or cameras, but the stupid glass cover.
and they wouldn't buy back. so this whole upgrade nonsense is perhaps valid only in very extraordinary situations.
same for broken screen or broken camera. so what I do then is try to reuse, replace, and go to small shops for repairs with third party parts, for as long as I can, so that my CO2 footprint goes down or at least extend the life of the device.
I'm pretty sure all my old iphones will at some point be running jailed servers and sandboxes, or perhaps even - claws.
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#369Seems like a good place to also mourn the canonical best iPhone financing method - the blissfully simple Apple Card payment plan. They got rid of it[1] (except if you're engaging in the postpaid carrier contract foolishness) in 2023, which coincidentally was the last time I felt the need to get a new iPhone. I know a lot of people use postpaid, but I can't understand why. I'd challenge anyone to justify that decision…
I'm on Verizon postpaid, 4 lines on Unlimited Plus for $31/line. That's hard to beat pre-paid for comparable service. Yes, I have to threaten to leave Verizon once a year to get them to add a bunch of customer loyalty discounts, but that's not less work than switching pre-paid carriers to chase deals. I subscribe to /r/NoContract/ so I have a pretty good idea what's out there. Visible+ is a comparable pre-paid plan,…
- there's much better international roaming: free up to 20GB/mo
- you can switch you network to any of the big 3 if you need to. e.g. if you're traveling and your preferred network is crap
- you can do dual-network for another 7.50/mo and turn it off/on as you like
I've been on this plan for almost a year now and it's take a lot to lure me back. The international roaming alone has probably saved us ~$300 in that time.
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#370I've tried at least several times to have an iPhone bought back by Apple - personally, at their certified stores (in Europe mostly I have to admit though), only to be told that the back-cover is broken, which effectively makes the device unusable. you see, an iphone becomes unusable the moment the glass breaks, this is what apple reps. think. so it is some packaging that in their opinion makes up critical part of the…
See their own repair pricing of $349 for an iphone 13 vs $159 for an iphone 14.