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Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by rcxdude »

bee_rider wrote: post #27
minitech wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes that's true, but sometimes (imo the superior approach) the touchscreen is independent from the cursor. I think touchscreen Chromebooks are like that, for example.

Oh, that seems like it would be quite nice, actually. It is vaguely annoying when my touchscreen moves my mouse cursor.

It depends on the DE and the application to some extent. The touch events are seperate to mouse events and the mouse cursor moving, but AFAIK usually there is an emulation layer for compatibility with applications that don't support touch events which also moves the cursor, and this behaviour can change depending on the application (either it sets some flag or responds to the touch events in some way). Digitizer pens are the same way.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by sublinear »

rcxdude wrote: post #55
gorgoiler wrote: post #52

I wish libinput gave the option for pointer inertia, where the pointer glides to a gradual rather than a hard halt after you stop moving it. I’m limited to a trackpad these days and it’s a really nice feature on my Steamdeck that I’d love to have on my Thinkpad. Come to think of it, Steamdeck is Wayland? How do they implement it?

>I wish libinput gave the option for pointer inertia, where the pointer glides to a gradual rather than a hard halt after you stop moving it Why? That seems like it would make it a lot harder to move the cursor precisely. (in fact the main implementation of it on linux I know of was a joke in IOCC)

How precisely can you scroll on your phone? I don't think anyone finds it awkward.

I get the impression that you're thinking of a much jankier implementation of "inertia" than that, and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we'd get anyway.

An unambitious inertia describes the linux community of the past decade pretty well.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by rcxdude »

jchw wrote: post #11

On the note of the two different kinds of seats, a tangent: better multi physical seat support is something I am passionate about, specifically, I want Windows-style "Fast User Switching" on Linux with RDP. Today's Linux RDP support usually acts like screen mirroring; you get a mirror of a physical seat. With GNOME I believe there is also now support to do remote login: you can log in remotely, and even disconnect an…

I would appreciate this as well, TBH. Window's handling of remote desktop has been well ahead of linux's for a long time, but there's an irritating artificial limit of one active user on most versions of windows. Last I looked, even just headless wayland was still very awkward to use.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by Lammy »

nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #39
dmitrygr wrote: post #31

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KDE plasma. go wild.

Here's a post from 2023 where the majority of people say it just works, except for one guy who tweaked his env and broke it. https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/18gfffw/is_zoom_still_... The fact you're griping about implementation details like pipewire makes me think you also tried micromanaging your env and broke something. If you use a fresh install and leave everything default, I'm sure it would work for you li…

>micromanaging your env

PERSONAL Computer

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by Gigachad »

sublinear wrote: post #62
rcxdude wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wish libinput gave the option for pointer inertia, where the pointer glides to a gradual rather than a hard halt after you stop moving it Why? That seems like it would make it a lot harder to move the cursor precisely. (in fact the main implementation of it on linux I know of was a joke in IOCC)

How precisely can you scroll on your phone? I don't think anyone finds it awkward. I get the impression that you're thinking of a much jankier implementation of "inertia" than that, and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if that's what we'd get anyway. An unambitious inertia describes the linux community of the past decade pretty well.

It works similarly to the steam deck actually. You flick and then tap/hold to stop.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by gf000 »

arxari wrote: post #57
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a post from 2023 where the majority of people say it just works, except for one guy who tweaked his env and broke it. https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/18gfffw/is_zoom_still_... The fact you're griping about implementation details like pipewire makes me think you also tried micromanaging your env and broke something. If you use a fresh install and leave everything default, I'm sure it would work for you li…

> micromanaging your env All the "micromanaging" you need to do to not have screensharing is one of the following; 1. Don't have a started dbus session 2. Don't have portals installed and setup 3. Don't have pipewire installed and setup Meanwhile on X what you need is: 1. Have X So no, it wouldn't work, the reason why it works for those people in the Reddit post is because they use distros and sessions that do all th…

Without dbus, X would also have plenty of its features fall flat, it's the de facto IPC mechanism of Linux desktop for better or worse, so it's like "my car won't start if I don't have any fuel" complaint.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by gf000 »

Lammy wrote: post #64
nvme0n1p1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a post from 2023 where the majority of people say it just works, except for one guy who tweaked his env and broke it. https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/18gfffw/is_zoom_still_... The fact you're griping about implementation details like pipewire makes me think you also tried micromanaging your env and broke something. If you use a fresh install and leave everything default, I'm sure it would work for you li…

>micromanaging your env PERSONAL Computer

Sure, but if one wants to play tester, don't complain when you eventually find a bug.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by gf000 »

gorgoiler wrote: post #52

I wish libinput gave the option for pointer inertia, where the pointer glides to a gradual rather than a hard halt after you stop moving it. I’m limited to a trackpad these days and it’s a really nice feature on my Steamdeck that I’d love to have on my Thinkpad. Come to think of it, Steamdeck is Wayland? How do they implement it?

Semi-related - I think that controllers would be a very nice single input device for many kinds of workloads, especially if you can occasionally just dictate text. It's kind of sad that it's not supported all that well.

Re: State of multi-player Wayland

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Post by silon42 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #3

To add to the long list of caveats: This also breaks assumptions GUI toolkit and applications make about only one of their windows being focused at a time: `gtk_application_get_active_window`, `QApplication::activeWindow`, etc.

Mouse pointer doesn't necessarily imply keyboard focus (for cursing)... but there is an issue for mouse enter/leave events, etc..
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