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Post by JeremyNT »

maleldil wrote: post #242
ribelo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's simply because his opinion is shared by many people and I would even say that he is pretty mild in expressing it?

Equalling the Roma (and insisting on using a slur to refer to them) to wolves that need to be shot is mild?

To empathize a bit with the Basecamp employees, DHH has sort of slowly worked his way into the gutter racism that he displays openly now.

Like a lot of his peers, the first Trump administration seemed to unlock a permission structure to be increasingly reactionary in public, facilitated by the overt political bias of Musk's X. We've now reached a point where this sort of "vice signaling" is a great way to gain clout in the overtly nativist tech bro niche in the US.

Which is to say, he wasn't always like this, and it feels like each new blog post is getting worse in a way that, if I were at Basecamp, I might have initially overlooked as the frog was slowly boiled.

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Post by adamrezich »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #269
adamrezich wrote: post #266

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> They're calling you out on asking why the homeless don't just move Please try reading my posts again very carefully rather than assuming my intent. Thank you!

If multiple people are confused on what you're saying, you should probably clarify with better wording.

If someone reads “black American moving to Oakland” as “homeless person moving out of Oakland”, that is not my fault…!

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by red-iron-pine »

classified wrote: post #262
windowshopping wrote: post #19

I used to admire that guy. I don't understand why anyone still works at Basecamp with posts like this to be honest. How do people justify it to themselves? Maybe it's just harder to switch jobs now with AI, I don't know.

> How do people justify it to themselves? Just read the comments in this thread. There are plenty of examples right here.

HN is full, absolutely rampant, with bots. Lotta reasons, e.g. hyping the latest YC unicorn, etc.

influencing wealthy and influential tech folks is very much a serious concern, since they're often online and high extra hard with regards to the 1-9-90 rule

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Post by xp84 »

dash2 wrote: post #238
xp84 wrote: post #118

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Maybe a lot of people actually agree with him, and would rather we expect more of people, rather than simply defining criminal activity as an unconscious effect of one's being somehow oppressed, or one's great-great-grandparents being oppressed, or whatever. The culture in question have been infamous for centuries for their value system which is incompatible with most others. Just as it's okay for devout Islamists to…

> okay for DHH and other Westerners to find the Roma value system disgusting. The Nazis murdered about a million gypsies so “finding a whole value system disgusting” can lead to some quite dark places.

By that logic, how can we even justify finding Nazi ideology disgusting? "Sure, a lot of Nazis committed a ton of heinous crimes, and their value system told them it was good and proper to do so, but some of them are probably nice people who didn't commit murder!"

To be clear my point is that not all cultures are equally good - due to their different value systems. Pretending they are always leads to the most harmful, unfair, and cruel ones taking advantage of the most trusting ones.

Again, nobody here is arguing for harming anyone, nor for taking any action at all towards those of that ancestry that aren't doing the crimes. But I'd be all for deporting those that do.

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Post by bruckie »

scheme271 wrote: post #140
flockonus wrote: post #38

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

Do you believe that even morally wrong laws should be enforced and followed? A lot of the segregation and jim crow laws were pretty odious. Women weren't allowed to have bank accounts and credit cards in multiple countries (even the US until 1974). Women were not allowed to legally vote (one Swiss canton kept this until 1990!). Do you believe that these laws should be enforced and followed despite most people believi…

There's a coherent argument for doing so: if the law is enforced, and no one wants it to be enforced, it creates pressure to fix the law. Laws that are on the books but not enforced lead to laws meaning nothing in the extreme case.

I think there's merit to both sides and the sweet spot is somewhere in the middle.

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Post by moritzwarhier »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #209
moritzwarhier wrote: post #132

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Ah, I see, the post is about why , not how . Guess my language limits got me there. Still very hard to understand and I find hard to say it would be worth reading. Apart from the Gemini-like looking template.

The site is hosted with Obsidian Publish which looked exactly like this far before Gemini existed

Thanks for the info! I always wondered about Gemini's love for Tailwind, and found the aesthetics to feel very Vercel-like.

But that doesn't mean it doesn't originate somewhere else. Looking at Obsidian, it seems to be an ideal training source for pairs of Markdown and HTML/CSS.

But I don't wanna insinuate further, it's a summer evening and I made it outside. Have a good day/evening/night'

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Post by saghm »

vikingly wrote: post #233
saghm wrote: post #228

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> It’s our country and we have no obligation to let anyone in But they're already in, legally, according to the laws you defined? It's hard to believe that you have such a well-defined social contract that literally everyone agrees that means you can't let in people of another ethnic group if the laws made by the people you suggest literally don't support mass deporting everyone who fits into the group you mention.

A lot of it comes through EU laws, which was agreed to with the assumption of a different population mix in the Schengen free flow of people. Same with migrants brought in through exploited asylum laws which again assumed small numbers from neighboring countries with similar cultures. Scandinavia is in a much better spot than the UK, which voted in favor of brexit to stop flow and instead received replacement migrati…

At this point, it seems like you're just arguing "nobody in Scandanavia wanted them to come and we got tricked" as a universally agreed upon societal opinion. I guess it's possible, but it's impossible to distinguish from you projecting your own personal views across the entire society because you already strongly believe in the idea of everyone being on the same page about everything. Maybe it's my bias as someone from a society without that level of social cohesion, but I have trouble imagining literally everyone being in agreement on what's acceptable but somehow not managing to notice that something different was happening until too late rather than some people having exaggerating views of how much everyone else agreed with them, since the latter is something I've seen incredibly often, and the former is not something I've ever seen actually happen in practice.

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Post by evanelias »

xp84 wrote: post #274
dash2 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> okay for DHH and other Westerners to find the Roma value system disgusting. The Nazis murdered about a million gypsies so “finding a whole value system disgusting” can lead to some quite dark places.

By that logic, how can we even justify finding Nazi ideology disgusting? "Sure, a lot of Nazis committed a ton of heinous crimes, and their value system told them it was good and proper to do so, but some of them are probably nice people who didn't commit murder!" To be clear my point is that not all cultures are equally good - due to their different value systems. Pretending they are always leads to the most harmful…

If some individuals are committing crimes, why isn't the normal criminal justice system the answer, instead of deportation?

And deport them to where exactly, and on what justification? They've been in Europe for a thousand years and are effectively stateless.

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Post by busterarm »

tpm wrote: post #267
busterarm wrote: post #264

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> and if not ECHR will have the last word on that They actually already did. Dian v Denmark. Ruling that the ban wasn't illegal.

Thank you for that. tldr: the court ruled that Dian was not in a precarious position but was using begging in Denmark as an additional source of income to support his family in Romania (and, reading between the lines, probably to buy drugs) and so Denmark was ok putting him in prison for a few days (after he insulted a police officer too).

Danish police are super tolerant and professional btw.

I had my passport lifted by a pickpocket while at a restaurant in Vesterbro and had to report it to the police and then go to my embassy to get a replacement. Both the Danish police and the US state department employees were amazing.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

scheme271 wrote: post #140
flockonus wrote: post #38

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

Do you believe that even morally wrong laws should be enforced and followed? A lot of the segregation and jim crow laws were pretty odious. Women weren't allowed to have bank accounts and credit cards in multiple countries (even the US until 1974). Women were not allowed to legally vote (one Swiss canton kept this until 1990!). Do you believe that these laws should be enforced and followed despite most people believi…

Who decides what is morally wrong? If everyone decided to not follow or enforce laws based on their own morals, society would be in absolute chaos. You can't have a functioning society around "I do what I believe, fuck y'all"
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