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Canceling "Hey"

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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by rwz »

jorisw wrote: post #93
elohssa wrote: post #57

This whole article seems like a straw man. Chad seems to be arguing: 1. DHH thinks all gypsies are bad, therefor 2. DHH does not see Roma as individual people, therefor 3. DHH is a bad person. I read DHH's blog as: 1. It should still be illegal to camp in parks, therefor 2. People who do camp in parks should be housed, therefor 3. Foreigners who refuse housing should be deported.

My problem with the part about housing is that DHH acts as if cities have enough shelters to accommodate everyone and these 'gypsies' are refusing to go there. I don't buy that for a second.

I don't know about Copenhagen, but in US a significant fraction of the homeless population openly rejects various shelter and housing opportunities because those usually come with extra requirements for sobriety and commitments to addiction treatments. So yeah, there's definitely people who just refuse to go.

Then there's also mentally ill people who operate in the grey zone of law — clearly too mentally ill to be prosecuted for their crimes (or haven't committed any crimes yet), can't be held in prison, but also too unstable and violent to be admitted to shelters with other, mostly normal disadvantaged people.

One example of such case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Eina_Kwon

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by moritzwarhier »

yreg wrote: post #120
moritzwarhier wrote: post #26

I was really wanting to read this, I had a morbid interest in Hey.com's cancellation policy. After 3+ paragraphs and an effin PG quote, there still is no point. There once were angry submissions (or comments?) here about how hard it is to cancel NYT. I was expecting the Hey-version of that, instead I got long-winded prose that sounds like a bunch of college boys trying to sound smart. No thanks. I guess the E-mail-se…

The article doesn't mention Hey or the cancellation anywhere after the PG paragraph.

Ah, I see, the post is about why, not how.

Guess my language limits got me there.

Still very hard to understand and I find hard to say it would be worth reading. Apart from the Gemini-like looking template.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by jdlshore »

busterarm wrote: post #20

Hey is the only way I can have a public, usable email account anymore. I maintain a self-hosted whitelist-only email account for sensitive work but email for other purposes just isn't tenable anymore. If someone else comes along with a better product maybe I'll consider it.

I use Fastmail. It’s excellent, and only $114 for two years. (Just processed my renewal today.)

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by arjie »

mplewis wrote: post #49
fastball wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homelessness is pretty race neutral tho? Especially in Oakland, which is incredibly race-balanced.

absolutely not, especially in the bay – people of color are way more likely to be homeless

To put actual numbers to "way more likely". Using https://www.bayareaequityatlas.org/indicators/experiencing-h... and the census.

The rate is 42/10k for non-Hispanic White and 56/10k for all others - a common definition for people of color. So about a third more likely.

To provide some intuition if the numbers aren't clear that increased risk is about the same as:

* driving while having slept 6-7 hours rather than 7+ hours[0] 1.3x

* being a teen driver with a teen friend in the car rather than alone[1] 1.49x

* the increased cardiovascular risk from being highly sedentary vs. being active[2] 1.3x

As a whole, though, 'person of color' seems to be a bad grouping unit here because Asian people are 'people of color' and have a 7/10k rate, while Black people are also 'people of color' and have a 214/10k rate. Therefore, if I were trying to understand if there are subpopulation differences this is not the aggregation unit I would use.

0: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/bulletin/2017/national-police-week...

1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10735394/

2: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38081421/

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by andrewflnr »

saghm wrote: post #83
andrewflnr wrote: post #12

This is trying far too hard to be charitable. Mistake theory is great, and it's good that the article mentions it, but it then also presents sufficient evidence to prove, or at least substantiate, malice. At this point not having "bad feelings toward DHH" is itself a "Missing Mood". At any rate, though, the author took the correct action. Wolves are also pretty important, by the way. Hopefully we all know that by now…

> This is trying far too hard to be charitable. Mistake theory is great, and it's good that the article mentions it, but it then also presents sufficient evidence to prove, or at least substantiate, malice. The benefit of the doubt only exists as long as there is doubt. Once there's an overwhelming body of evidence that removes any of it, continuing to give it is pretty suspicious, like you mention.

For what it's worth, I do think the author is only guilty of being too kind. I wouldn't call it suspicious in this case.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by pm3003 »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #90
flumpcakes wrote: post #66

I think DHH's opinion is a very common sentiment in Europe. "Gypsies" are a very European thing. I wonder if there's anything similar in the US? For context for US readers; they generally exist outside of the usual social norms, and have a pretty bad reputation because of it. This is not a defence of DHH, just providing context to his comments.

As if the social norms only flow one way (gypsies excluding themselves) and not the other way (white Europeans excluding them).

There are in a lot of EU countries sets of laws to integrate gypsies, but it's a hard problem, e.g. schooling kids who move town every three months.

I think the gypsies he's referring to might be a particular set of organised beggar gangs exploiting gypsies from Romania, Bulgaria and generally central Europe in European cities since the early 2000s, and not the usual seasonal workers from these and other gypsy communities. But I haven't been to Copenhagen in a while.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by scheme271 »

flockonus wrote: post #38

I do find the author position to be incoherent in the following regard: 1. believe a statement can be true or false, and false should be called out. 2. believe deportation is morally wrong in certain cases, that is, the law can be selectively broken. I personally believe laws should always be enforced and followed. That eliminates margin for corruption and lenience. A strong law also creates incentive for the populat…

Do you believe that even morally wrong laws should be enforced and followed? A lot of the segregation and jim crow laws were pretty odious. Women weren't allowed to have bank accounts and credit cards in multiple countries (even the US until 1974). Women were not allowed to legally vote (one Swiss canton kept this until 1990!).

Do you believe that these laws should be enforced and followed despite most people believing that they are morally wrong?

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