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Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by nailer »

realo wrote: post #57
Argonaut998 wrote: post #47

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Because if you believe this fetus to be a human life then it follows believing that if it is terminated, it is akin to murder/infanticide. I don't know why people are being so (deliberatively?) reductive ITT.

Yes but... you used the word "belief". Nothing scientific there. If the mother was raped and knows for sure she will not bring up her rapist's kid ... or if there is a possibility that letting the baby be born will kill the mother, MY belief is to follow the mother's wishes. It's her body and her life.

But it’s not. The child has different DNA, and a different life.

• Survival rates begin to appear (still low) around 22 weeks (roughly 5–35% depending on the study, active treatment, and hospital, with high rates of complications). https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/154/4/e20240...

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by hbn »

realo wrote: post #57
Argonaut998 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you believe this fetus to be a human life then it follows believing that if it is terminated, it is akin to murder/infanticide. I don't know why people are being so (deliberatively?) reductive ITT.

Yes but... you used the word "belief". Nothing scientific there. If the mother was raped and knows for sure she will not bring up her rapist's kid ... or if there is a possibility that letting the baby be born will kill the mother, MY belief is to follow the mother's wishes. It's her body and her life.

Whether or not a fetus is human life isn't a scientific concept. Pro-choice people "believe" that it isn't. That's not scientific either.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by kamma4434 »

flaviolivolsi wrote: post #15
eur0pa wrote: post #8

Abortion is legal in this country, and any woman can go to the hospital (as in the ER), or at a consultorio familiare to initiate the process. Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter. As to why these two websites were rendered inaccessible it beats me, as there are many other local alternatives one may peruse, and they're all accessible. Hell, even the Italian Government Website h…

"Both options are free of charge and free of judgement, especially the latter" You sure about that? Unfortunately there's a thing called "obiezione di coscienza" (TL;DR: doctors opposing abortion because they're catholics). Feel free to translate this article: https://www.editorialedomani.it/fatti/aborto-obiezione-cosci...

An “obiettore” won’t be your doctor if you want an abortion; there will be somebody else performing it.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by cocoto »

quickthrowman wrote: post #56
Argonaut998 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you believe this fetus to be a human life then it follows believing that if it is terminated, it is akin to murder/infanticide. I don't know why people are being so (deliberatively?) reductive ITT.

If someone is morally opposed to abortion, they don’t need to have one. That’s where it should end, there’s no need to control the bodies of others due to a moral belief that other people don’t hold.

The whole point of the debate is that the fetus has no choice during an absorption, not some “moral” ground that you are imposing to someone else.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by kamma4434 »

altern8 wrote: post #35
sllewely wrote: post #29

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Read the article. It's 67% of registered obgyns and fully 100% of some hospitals. Why would you believe it's 1 of 1000 in a world where countries consistently successfully create legislature targeting women?

Because I'm from Italy and I have women friends and I know that there are a lot of places where you can get a prescription for abortion pills. We don't need random websites to hand out prescription drugs to kids.

In 2022 there were about 65k abortions in Italy, two thirds of which were with ru486. All of them completely legal and paid for by the national health care. Not sure there is a need for pills over mail.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by krunck »

joshuaheard wrote: post #11
khalic wrote: post #2

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The issue with abortion is that some think the fetus deserves legal protection because it is equivalent to a human baby. So, they don't think it should be killed. In Italy, abortion is allowed in the first 90 days. After that, it is illegal. These websites were providing abortion pills to be used past the 90 day period, which is illegal. So, these websites were being blocked because they were engaged in illegal activ…

Would not illegality be handled by charging those suspected of the activity and hearing the case in a court of law?

Maybe those blocking the sites are not acting on behalf of law enforcement but rather their own ideas of legality and morality.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by loup-vaillant »

khalic wrote: post #2

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There are several aspects to this. One is control over women. Another is panic over the idea that other people with darker skin tone might overrun us with their reproductive might; either by mating like rabbits, or straight up stealing our our women. (They’re ours, right? Riight?) Also, the Book said something like "Be fruitful and multiply".

The weird thing about Great Replacement bullshit, is how it manages to mix superiority complex with inferiority complex. Like viewing oneself as less attractive than the "inferior" brother accros the street, or believing in the superiority of one’s culture, and in natural selection, and be afraid of being overrun by an "inferior" one…

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by lelanthran »

chpatrick wrote: post #72
lelanthran wrote: post #49

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It has absolutely no medical function apart from further traumatizing a woman who's already in a really shitty situation. No one's saying abortion should be possible at 8 months. At 6 weeks when there's a heartbeat it's barely a bag of cells.

> No one's saying abortion should be possible at 8 months.

Sibling poster actually did say that; even moved the line further out.

>> Abortion 1 day before birth? That's clearly already a child and I will object.

> Not your body, not your choice.

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by arlattimore »

If other websites exist about this topic, why are these two specifically being censored and by who? If abortion is legal (within a set of guidelines), what laws exist that these sites are breaking or close to breaking that might lead them to be censored?

Re: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web and Women Help Women

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Post by [deleted] »

onethought wrote: post #60
lelanthran wrote: post #49

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Just want to point out, it’s polarising because it’s a wedge issues that divides voting blocks neatly, and nothing to do with it being The Issue that it is. More people die from obesity, cars, flu, preventable illness, etc. But we discuss endless this one issue… it’s for political science reasons not humanity/moral/etc reasons.

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