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Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I didn't know Netflix was such a stick-up-the-ass garbage place to work at. What an incredibly dumb thing to fire someone over.

I can't speak to Netflix one way or the other.

But the title seems to imply it was about over sharing, while the rest of the article seems focused on the culture of constant alcohol and drugs which likely has more to do with the way things ended.

Hard to say what is true with a publication like this.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I feel like our offsites, especially in a post-COVID remote world, tend to improve communication and productivity. People get to know their coworkers, and feel much more comfortable working cross-functionality. I've had some bad experiences, of course, but overall I've found it to be incredibly worth it.

I think there's a difference between getting employees who work remotely from each other into the same room for a week, and a "retreat" offsite where pseudo-theraputic approaches are used to try to get employees to open up or bond socially.

I think “retreat” is used pretty colloquially and doesn’t imply pseudo-therapy.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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It always surprises me when people don't understand that the employee-employer relationship is an adversarial one. Unless you're in a democratic co-op or similar your employer is the enemy and you should never forget that. The correct move is to try to screw them in every legal way at every turn because that is what they are doing to you. Never divulge any information that increases your attack surface, always try to…

This sounds like an exhausting perspective on the world. I’d rather be hurt by assholes than never allow myself to be vulnerable with anybody. You can mitigate the potential downside without thinking everybody is out to get you or thinking everything is a power game.

I'm vulnerable with plenty of people, just not employers (in general). The incentive structures, especially at a company that's more than a few people are such that it is in their best interest to get as much from you for as little as possible, that's the entire point of the system.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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> Adam Mendler, a workplace expert, told Inc. that this kind of exercise carries real risk when companies invite openness without ever clarifying how that vulnerability will be treated afterward. I always felt that those trust exercises, "bring your whole self to work", "let us pay for a personality test so we can know each other better" are all ruses to find the most gullible people and then take advantage of them o…

It's more likely incompetence than malice. There's a reason people don't share everything about their personal lives at work, and sometimes leaders think forgetting that will make everyone better off.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Did you miss he received the therapy under medical supervision and Netflix’s attorney flat out admitted “the ketamine therapy issue has factored into the termination”.

Did you miss that that's according to the one sided exceprt from a lawsuit an ex-employee filed?

Did you miss that a company attorney acknowledged "the ketamine therapy issue has factored into the termination?"

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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I think that's something people have increasingly forgotten. My grandparents were active in their church for decades. They didn't talk about my grandmother's serious mental health struggles with the other parishioners. People in the past had stronger community institutions, and I think a part of that was that nobody expected to bring their whole self to bowling club or the neighborhood potluck.

It's a balance though, isn't it? Like, sure, don't bring your whole self to every single bowling game, you're there to bowl so focus at the task at hand. Nobody is going to have a good time if every bowling game devolves into every little emotional issue anyone in the group is having. But that doesn't mean those relationships originally started at the bowling club need to stay purely about bowling, a big part of comm…

I mostly feel that people should be more selective about who and how they open up to in general in life. There's a lot to talk about that's not your past experiences with depression, and those don't need to be talked about to 99% of people, and discussing them too early is an easy way to burn bridges before they're even built.

I definitely talk to my coworkers about what I did this weekend, or travel, or the weather (I'm halfway around the world from my home country, so comparing the weather is a constant topic of conversation). I have a coworker I carpool with and we talk some about how I'm settling in to life here. But, I will never discuss my history of mental illness with any of these people. At best I will make a vague allusion to seasonal blues.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Because at some point their emails about the firing will be subpoenaed, and if they lie about it now it's going to bite them harder later.

That's why we got training at Google that more or less told us not to put these kinds of things in writing. Remember: the e in e-mail stands for evidence.

And the O in RTO stands for Oral-communication-only

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's a difference between getting employees who work remotely from each other into the same room for a week, and a "retreat" offsite where pseudo-theraputic approaches are used to try to get employees to open up or bond socially.

I think “retreat” is used pretty colloquially and doesn’t imply pseudo-therapy.

From the article: > “Vulnerability-Trust exercise”

From your parent comment: > the facilitator tried to get to the bottom of tensions between the CTO and head of sales

I was referring specifically to these sorts of things. Retreat doesn't always include this, but sometimes it does, and when it does it's a stupid idea.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Did you miss that that's according to the one sided exceprt from a lawsuit an ex-employee filed?

Did you miss that a company attorney acknowledged "the ketamine therapy issue has factored into the termination?"

Only according to the lawsuit filed by the fired party.

Re: Netflix employee fired for sharing personal details in retreat trust exercise

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Your company, your coworkers, are not your friends. HR is not there for you, it's to protect the company from you. Do not disclose personal information to those who control your livelihood. Once you leave or if you build up a personal relationship with a coworker, outside of work, then maybe. Even still. I will never divulge what I have been through simply because corporate wants to be "inclusive".

I was rejected in a hiring process because a co-worker worked there. They asked him for feedback in the final hiring decision. I was being considered for a senior staff role. The meeting room had two of my ex-co-workers. One was the person who had referred me and was my tech lead at a previous work place. This (feedback giver) co-worker (my peer; from yet another work place) told them all was great and hunky dory but…

Good riddance. A “work-life balance kind of person” is not a negative characteristic; even more so at a position where your behavior is an inspiration to many people
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