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Post by xtiansimon »

ValleZ wrote: post #146
otherme123 wrote: post #108

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In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but the…

It was fairly impossible to find a restaurant in Paris that had an AC not so long time ago. It’s totally not an issue in states.

Heck. The San Francisco Bay Area was largely AC free in my youth (except maybe Walnut Creek).

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Post by tpm »

konart wrote: post #288
otherme123 wrote: post #108

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In case you don't know, there is a meme in the US that Europe don't know/don't have A/C. We do, but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit when entering a building like a musseum, leaving with the impression we don't know A/C. No general A/C might be the case in regions that never needed it before (mild summers, cold winters), but the…

>but in some coutries there are laws banning A/C below 25°C (77°F) in public places, so (US) tourist don't get the cold air hit To be fair - cold air hit (I'm talking about big gaps betweet temperatures) is pretty bad for you. Ideally you don't want the temperature in a room to be (immediately) lower than T-5°C or so.

but that's tough when the outside temp is 40°C

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Post by xtiansimon »

bcoughlan wrote: post #77
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #4

The buried lede: What does all this mean for global temperatures? Because global temperature lags ENSO by around three to five months, most of this event’s warming will land in 2027, which is now shaping up to be a genuinely alarming year and the warmest on record by a sizable margin I’m certainly no climate scientist, but if I lived in Europe, I would absolutely be looking into how to get a solar energy system set u…

I don't mean to be divisive, but this meme-like stream of news articles and comments about Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation that refused to even try to do anything about climate change, really grates on me.

> “…Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation…”

Sounds like a ‘mixed-meme’. I appreciate your concern, but confused thinking bringing heightened emotions is counterproductive.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mixed...

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Post by tpm »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #295
ricardobayes wrote: post #287

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Ah yeah, my grandparents never used AC even in the car. They just cruised with windows down even in the height of summer: they had the most bizarre ideas that it was somehow "bad for the heart". But cooking with lard was okay for them and it was "healthy". At least in Germany you have a right to install an AC and the community can't say no. Even if they do the courts can overturn that decision.

Cooking with lard IS healthy. There was never any evidence to the contrary. The USDA promoted the low fat diet to sell cheap commodity crops, ultra-processed foods, and alternative vegetable oils. Those things ARE bad for you. The low smoke point of the oils makes them burn and produce carcinogens. These oils also soak into the food, whereas frying in high temperature lard benefits from the leidenfrost affect, causin…

High saturated fat consumption raises ldl cholesterol which does unhealthy things to your body, yes there is more than enough evidence for that.

> Cooking.. frying in high temperature

not the same thing, is it.

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Post by tpm »

yostrovs wrote: post #96
bcoughlan wrote: post #77

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I don't mean to be divisive, but this meme-like stream of news articles and comments about Europeans being silly about air conditioning, from the drill-baby-drill nation that refused to even try to do anything about climate change, really grates on me.

It would be one thing if Europe immediately stopped using coal, drastically reduced airline usage, quit building gasoline cars, but if anything it is only marginally better than the US. Europe mostly shifted their dirty work to Asia and North America, while restricting themselves from using air conditioning as some kind of virtue signaling. That's the problem as I see it.

> if Europe immediately stopped using coal, drastically reduced airline usage, quit building gasoline cars

we (the EU, not Europe) are indeed phasing out coal (most countries are already done) and EVs are at 24% of the market (June 26) which is about 4x the US EV marketshare and rising fast.

> Europe mostly shifted their dirty work to Asia and North America

There is a carbon tariff (CBAM) for some imports, will be gradually expanded in the next few years.

That' not marginally better, that's way way better.

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Post by Avshalom »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #295
ricardobayes wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yeah, my grandparents never used AC even in the car. They just cruised with windows down even in the height of summer: they had the most bizarre ideas that it was somehow "bad for the heart". But cooking with lard was okay for them and it was "healthy". At least in Germany you have a right to install an AC and the community can't say no. Even if they do the courts can overturn that decision.

Cooking with lard IS healthy. There was never any evidence to the contrary. The USDA promoted the low fat diet to sell cheap commodity crops, ultra-processed foods, and alternative vegetable oils. Those things ARE bad for you. The low smoke point of the oils makes them burn and produce carcinogens. These oils also soak into the food, whereas frying in high temperature lard benefits from the leidenfrost affect, causin…

If your biscuits are getting anywhere close to the smoke point of crisco, you are doing something very wrong.

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Post by yossarian88 »

sdeframond wrote: post #170
OptionOfT wrote: post #151

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Yup. Built a house in 2016 in Belgium. Perfectly insulated. You didn't have to run heating in winter. Kept it all inside. Also, it overheated instantly.

Insulation is actually helpul against heat too! But since modern buildings usually have huge windows, we're letting in about 1kw of heat from sunlight per square meter of window. That's 6kw for a 3x2m bay window, or about the equivalent of 6 electric heaters at full power. Block that heat ouside of your house with all kind of shade you can get: trees, blinds, adjustable shades, rolling shutters... Also, close every o…

That's a bit high. 1kw is pretty much the peak per M2 when the sun is directly overhead and normal to the surface. Coming through a window obliquely it will both be less at the source and trig reduces it too, along with what's rejected by the window too. But I agree with the general point!

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Post by sdeframond »

gib444 wrote: post #247
sdeframond wrote: post #170

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Insulation is actually helpul against heat too! But since modern buildings usually have huge windows, we're letting in about 1kw of heat from sunlight per square meter of window. That's 6kw for a 3x2m bay window, or about the equivalent of 6 electric heaters at full power. Block that heat ouside of your house with all kind of shade you can get: trees, blinds, adjustable shades, rolling shutters... Also, close every o…

(UK here) This is all the usual advice, which works for a few days, but during a period of over a week of high temperatures, there's nothing you can do. The sun will eventually heat up every part of the house and turn it into a radiator. Even when night time temperatures drop to 17c, I have my have windows open at 10pm with a decent cross-wind, my bedroom temperature may drop from 26c to 24c after 2-3 hours, but if I…

> Even when night time temperatures drop to 17c

That's pretty nice actually!

I am in a brand new rooftop apartment, so pretty exposed to heat. I can keep 28-29C indoors when it's 38C outdoors. That's hot but workable with a ceiling fan.

At night we open all windows and have a ceiling fan above the bed. We've got about 24C indoor in the morning, with nightime outdoor temperature at about 21C.

Obviously I keep physical activity to early morning and late night.

Re: The Strongest El Niño Ever

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Post by gib444 »

sdeframond wrote: post #319
gib444 wrote: post #247

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(UK here) This is all the usual advice, which works for a few days, but during a period of over a week of high temperatures, there's nothing you can do. The sun will eventually heat up every part of the house and turn it into a radiator. Even when night time temperatures drop to 17c, I have my have windows open at 10pm with a decent cross-wind, my bedroom temperature may drop from 26c to 24c after 2-3 hours, but if I…

> Even when night time temperatures drop to 17c That's pretty nice actually! I am in a brand new rooftop apartment, so pretty exposed to heat. I can keep 28-29C indoors when it's 38C outdoors. That's hot but workable with a ceiling fan. At night we open all windows and have a ceiling fan above the bed. We've got about 24C indoor in the morning, with nightime outdoor temperature at about 21C. Obviously I keep physical…

17c outside just to be clear, highlighting that that it doesn't serve much purpose in cooling inside the house

We also have high humidity which makes 25c to 30c at night very uncomfortable for us Brits.

People often forget about humidity when telling people they don't need AC

And you have to remember we're a country of people used to max summer heat mostly being around 20-22c and many people will sleep with the window partly open in the depths of winter

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