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US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by 8note »

mannanj wrote: post #90
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m quite unfamiliar with this notion. What law says it’s illegal to lie when you’re not under oath during a court proceeding?

you had answers here. I'm trying to understand why our leaders can get away with lying so much and it being obviously in the public record, with videos on YouTube etc, and there being no recourse or accountability? Is it true that the law is only selectively applied to some people?

if you follow the links theres a lot of carve outs for the government to be allowed to lie

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by culi »

_kidlike wrote: post #260
f-serif wrote: post #243

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PIN to wipe seems suspicious. How about a PIN where it login to a patriotic profile and phone looks like normal android.

I had this on a Xiaomi, maybe 10 years ago? Very cool feature! I hope they still do it. I think the wipe feature is also very cool, but not used in this way.

Fascinating. It seems the feature is called "Second Space"

https://www.mi.com/global/support/faq/details/KA-492586/

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by _3u10 »

cameldrv wrote: post #74

I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet over the years say things like “the government can’t make x illegal, it’s just y.” For example, the government can’t make wiping your phone at the border illegal, it’s just punching four numbers into your phone, just like a pin, only a different four numbers, which could just have well been your pin. U.S. law though is highly non-autistic and what you were trying to do is jus…

He gave them the unlock code, now it’s unlocked.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

8note wrote: post #308
SoftTalker wrote: post #256

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And this is as it should be.

no way! it should be about 50% conviction rate so that juries dont go in with non-evidence that the case is good because the feds thought it should go to court

You do realize that what you're advocating for is for prosecutors to bring more cases to trial that previously they would have dropped.

And you think that benefits defendants how???

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by 8note »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #239
SubiculumCode wrote: post #221

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Not a lawyer, but destruction of evidence would only be valid if there was first some reasonable suspicion of a crime? Is that right?

This is my core question as well. At what point do you have to maintain property so the government can use it to testify against yourself? If I have a dash-cam, and I wipe the SD card, can the government imply that because I erased the card, it must prove that I was speeding? The dash-cam automatically over-writes old footage - perpetually destroying evidence. Given nebulous cases such as "hacking" a site by looking…

the government might not, but your insurance company definitely will

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by 8note »

kube-system wrote: post #134
bubblethink wrote: post #28

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>destroy evidence Who said it was evidence? Did a judge authorize or issue a warrant to collect said evidence? Absent that, it's just your property, and you can do with it as you please.

"Evidence" has never been limited to the subject of a warrant. Destruction of evidence statutes typically include material that is subject to a police investigation.

they of course arent police and arent investigating anything

instead they are harassing

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Post by victorbjorklund »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #121
cameldrv wrote: post #74

I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet over the years say things like “the government can’t make x illegal, it’s just y.” For example, the government can’t make wiping your phone at the border illegal, it’s just punching four numbers into your phone, just like a pin, only a different four numbers, which could just have well been your pin. U.S. law though is highly non-autistic and what you were trying to do is jus…

"U.S. law though is highly non-autistic" hilarious but also another point to emphasize is how truly depressing American courts often are. Take the right to a jury. It sounds noble in theory. But when they say judged by your peers they don't mean your actual peers. It's people who couldn't get out of jury duty. Prosecutors have high success rates. Federal prosecutor success rate is over > 90%. Studies of jury psycholo…

It is not surprising. They just don’t go to court unless they think they have enough evidence for a conviction. In a perfect world the conviction rate would be 100% because in a perfect world the prosecutor would drop the case before if they don’t have enough evidence.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by 8note »

dyauspitr wrote: post #84
treetalker wrote: post #40

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To me it’s all quite analogous to walking up to, but not crossing, a border with, say, a fruit that’s legal to possess on the side you’re on, but not on the other side, and either eating or throwing away that fruit before crossing. “Hey! I saw you holding that Mexican pepper in Mexico, and then you threw it in that Mexican trash can before crossing into Texas!” “Yeah, so?”

This is more like bringing the pepper across and then quickly swallowing it when they ask you to look at it.

which also would be fine?
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