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French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ceejayoz »

pelasaco wrote: post #32

That's remember me of https://www.france24.com/en/20190824-macron-france-brazil-bo...

> So far this year, there have been 76,720 forest fires in Brazil -- the highest number since 2013, official figures show, with more than half in the Amazon rainforest.

https://incendieencours.fr/en/incendies says 17 ongoing and 92 recent in France. I can't promise they count the same way, but… the motive's also substantially different:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgxv8n7wd0o

> Most fires here are illegally started by humans, according to scientists, the Federal Police, and the government: loggers and miners looking to exploit land in the Amazon, or farmers turning it into pasture.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by rasz »

senderista wrote: post #85

I will be surprised if the climate crisis doesn’t eventually escalate to the point where basically everyone agrees that geoengineering of some kind is worth the risk.

Could start with Sulphur spray into atmosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injectio...

Wonder how much 2020 Bunker Fuel ban contributed.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

ludston wrote: post #108
derrida wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is there to discuss? The governance crisis: how can we follow science on so many things, how can countries completely change on short order, but not for this...

Governments have been working on this for more then 20 years now. 40 maybe. As long as I've been alive at least. It's just that all of the actions to try and deal with this have been continuously undermined by fossil fuel industries and right-wing politics.

James Hansons Senate hearing was in 1988, so at least 38 years since it was brought front and center.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Hearing_of_James_E._Han...

Hansen is still going and has been ringing the alarm that we have deeply under estimated the relative carbon loading and heating potential on emissions. There is a real fear that we have locked in a lot more warming potential than the models have been predicting via several factors. Namely carbon warms slightly more than anticipated, more methane releases, great water vapor levels as a result of the previous two and reduced reflective materials decreasing our relative albedo.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

pibaker wrote: post #48
cineticdaffodil wrote: post #31

So, if you used climate credits, to build up those forrests. Do they get nil and void, if those forrests burn up?

Bold to assume that buying emission offsets actually leads to anything tangible being done.

A lot of the more realistic environmentalists very quickly figured out that it was nothing more than an accounting trick.

Greta Thunberg announces she has gone 'net-zero' on swearing after 'f-bomb' furore - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/greta-t...

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

nolok wrote: post #58
ares623 wrote: post #55

One of the biggest lies is that these events will only happen (or will happen first) to the "global south" and only affect the "other peoples". Unfortunately for us, the Earth has no preferences and doesn't run on our schedule.

I don't know where you live or where you heard that but it is not a lie that was told in france at least. If you want a "lie", it was how far in the future that was going to happen, but that's mostly because the deniers got control of the messaging for a long time.

Here is the image/tweet that will live on for a long while regarding the accelerated timeline.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F3...

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by ColdStream »

edhelas wrote: post #10
mingus88 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone needs to remember those who were deniers and followers of them Never let them live this down

https://rehost.diberie.com/Picture/Get/f/532005 Picture from the french "moderate" right journal Le Figaro, mai 2026. "investigation into environmental alarmists"

Well that aged like milk in a forest fire.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by rectang »

senderista wrote: post #85

I will be surprised if the climate crisis doesn’t eventually escalate to the point where basically everyone agrees that geoengineering of some kind is worth the risk.

Geoengineering proposals spring from the same impulse as climate denial — anything to avoid consequences for those contributing to the crisis.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by realslimjd »

falloon wrote: post #112

Pedantic cloud enjoyer here, the article should name this a pyrocumulus not pyrocumulonimbus - the nimbus part means 'rain-bearing' in meteorology, fire clouds don't rain.

To be fair, it's not the article that's the problem. Pyrocumulonimbus is the accepted scientific name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulonimbus_flammagenitus.

Re: French firefighters face 'pyrocumulonimbus' for first time

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Post by margalabargala »

falloon wrote: post #112

Pedantic cloud enjoyer here, the article should name this a pyrocumulus not pyrocumulonimbus - the nimbus part means 'rain-bearing' in meteorology, fire clouds don't rain.

The term used by the UK Royal Meteorological Society is pyrocumulonimbus: https://www.rmets.org/metmatters/pyrocumulonimbus-clouds
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