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Turn And Face The Strange

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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by hahahaa »

yellow_lead wrote: post #33

I don't think these sprites are worth betting the company on, but I guess that will be for the new CEO to decide. > A Sprite is a hardware-isolated execution environment for arbitrary code: a persistent Linux computer. Whether it's an AI agent like Claude Code or a binary your user just uploaded, Sprites are the simplest answer for "where should I run a blob of code". I think eventually this isolation may be built in…

Yuk I don't want to rent my appartment from my drug dealer. I love I can say thanks for the code Claude now fuck you I am deploying it (waggles finger in westerly direction...) there.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by hahahaa »

simonw wrote: post #38
yellow_lead wrote: post #33

I don't think these sprites are worth betting the company on, but I guess that will be for the new CEO to decide. > A Sprite is a hardware-isolated execution environment for arbitrary code: a persistent Linux computer. Whether it's an AI agent like Claude Code or a binary your user just uploaded, Sprites are the simplest answer for "where should I run a blob of code". I think eventually this isolation may be built in…

Sprites are about more than just providing an environment for Claude Code et al to run code in. They're also useful for anyone who's building their own product that needs an inexpensive way to execute unsafe code.

And the way you compete is be cheap enough and DX. Because Lambda.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by karimf »

Most people are going under identity crisis right now because of recent LLM advancements. This post is a good example that shows that it's not only happening at the individual level, but also on the company/organization level.

Is it still worth building products or companies that can be one-shotted by AI? Probably not.

One interesting consequence is that this force everyone to be more ambitious and do something bigger that's impossible before.

I hope more people are working on something that can always bring net positive to humanity even if there are hundreds of people working on the same thing, like clean energy.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by subarctic »

tptacek wrote: post #27
subarctic wrote: post #2

Saw this on my RSS feed and was surprised to see it hasn't been discussed yet on HN - fly.io used to be on the front page pretty regularly with some pretty big comment threads, but I had to go back over a year to find anything from them with more than a handful of comments. I guess they've become less relevant on here since they stopped allowing new users to host apps for free?

What do you mean? We ran a big post about Litestream Writeable VFS just a couple months ago, and we've had several big posts over the last 12 months, including the Sprite launch. We got pretty busy, and there's a lot going on, and I am a bottleneck on big posts going up on the blog. We have a couple months of technical catching up to do. But it's not like we've vanished off HN.

Ahh ok I just did a search on hn.algolia.com for fly.io and nothing came back with 10+ comments in the past year (until I posted this). But now I'm realizing they just don't include the url in the search, even though it says they do

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by ofjcihen »

danielvf wrote: post #43

Sprites are a beautiful place to make an abstraction. But I have never used a buggier infrastructure product in 30 years of development than when I tried sprites. Data loss left and right, sprites going into unconnectable zombie mode. Couldn't use even load snapshots because half the system seemed to think the sprite was fine, and half seemed to think it was dead. I gave up after two weeks of losing stuff over lunch…

Can second this. I had an enterprise client that was interested in using these for fast development etc. Wasn’t my project or the reason I was there but I was curious so I kept up with it.

Eventually they abandoned the company but stuck with the concept by going with another company. Complaints were the same, extremely buggy interface, dataloss, but also terrible support. That may have been there fault though for not using their actual domain for the test period (and not mentioning that they were an F200 or something).

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

subarctic wrote: post #54
tptacek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? We ran a big post about Litestream Writeable VFS just a couple months ago, and we've had several big posts over the last 12 months, including the Sprite launch. We got pretty busy, and there's a lot going on, and I am a bottleneck on big posts going up on the blog. We have a couple months of technical catching up to do. But it's not like we've vanished off HN.

Ahh ok I just did a search on hn.algolia.com for fly.io and nothing came back with 10+ comments in the past year (until I posted this). But now I'm realizing they just don't include the url in the search, even though it says they do

Right, just go to the front page and click on the linked domain on this story, it'll take you to all the previous submissions from our blog. It's been a light summer on blog posts, to be sure! But that's nothing new.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

hahahaa wrote: post #52
simonw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sprites are about more than just providing an environment for Claude Code et al to run code in. They're also useful for anyone who's building their own product that needs an inexpensive way to execute unsafe code.

And the way you compete is be cheap enough and DX. Because Lambda.

Why are you so sure "DX" is the right way to compete with commodity full-stack hosting? Have you had Claude deploy on AWS recently? It one-shots deployments just fine.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by tptacek »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #49
tptacek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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do you remember writing this? https://fly.io/blog/carving-the-scheduler-out-of-our-orchest... this was amazing post. i enjoyed reading it, it was relevant to some work stuff i was battling with. the linked articles at the end were amazing too. i had tonnes of respect for fly.io and yourself because of these posts. technically informative, clear, engaging. great stuff. the llm post? complete polar opposite. > I would…

I'm not being snarky. I genuinely do not care about AGI.

It's weird to watch people write as if I'm trying to back away from that article or hedge or whatever. I expect to wrap my career up at some point and look at that post as one of the better and more valuable things I've ever written.

Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #58
dijksterhuis wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you remember writing this? https://fly.io/blog/carving-the-scheduler-out-of-our-orchest... this was amazing post. i enjoyed reading it, it was relevant to some work stuff i was battling with. the linked articles at the end were amazing too. i had tonnes of respect for fly.io and yourself because of these posts. technically informative, clear, engaging. great stuff. the llm post? complete polar opposite. > I would…

I'm not being snarky. I genuinely do not care about AGI. It's weird to watch people write as if I'm trying to back away from that article or hedge or whatever. I expect to wrap my career up at some point and look at that post as one of the better and more valuable things I've ever written.

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Re: Turn And Face The Strange

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

simonw wrote: post #38
yellow_lead wrote: post #33

I don't think these sprites are worth betting the company on, but I guess that will be for the new CEO to decide. > A Sprite is a hardware-isolated execution environment for arbitrary code: a persistent Linux computer. Whether it's an AI agent like Claude Code or a binary your user just uploaded, Sprites are the simplest answer for "where should I run a blob of code". I think eventually this isolation may be built in…

Sprites are about more than just providing an environment for Claude Code et al to run code in. They're also useful for anyone who's building their own product that needs an inexpensive way to execute unsafe code.

> execute unsafe code.

I have a question regarding sprites but when executing unsafe code, because by definition its unsafe, what happens if the code violates terms of service of fly/sprites. Would only that particular sprite be removed or would it escalate to whole account level ban and the risks attached to it or would they take a look at repeated offenders.

from fly's terms of service Section 1.4(d) and section 9.2 respectively

> Customer will not... "sublicense any of Customer's rights under this Agreement, or otherwise use the Fly.io Services for the benefit of a third party."

> "Either party may terminate this Agreement for no reason or any reason upon written notice to the other party, effective immediately at the end of the then current Subscription Term."

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