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Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by wvbdmp »

sva_ wrote: post #245
wvbdmp wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of disagree, the faces SHOULD foster a unified identification as European. And at least on paper they do kind of nicely, imho. No one can argue with Da Vinci. Curie is Polish-French. Callas is internationally beloved and Greek. Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci, and can be claimed by the whole German-speaking area, at least Germany and Austria. Cervantes is perhaps more…

> Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci You mean Europeans? Because I highly doubt more ppl know about them than about Jesus. And I'd claim the most well known European is probably Hitler, through infamy.

I mean of the proposed designs. Actually, why not have Hitler. I wouldn’t mind a “never again” series with infamous faces from every country. Could be fun, lol.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by firefax »

crote wrote: post #223
firefax wrote: post #95

It's a shame due to Brexit there will be no Count Binface €10.

The main benefit of Brexit is that the EU is now able to use English as a neutral universal language which is both commonly-known and doesn't favor any individual member state. Clearly the best choice would've been to extend this and put British buildings or British historical people on the next generation of Euro notes. It would favor no EU country, so clearly it is the most neutral option. /s

>The main benefit of Brexit is that the EU is now able to use English as a neutral universal language which is both commonly-known and doesn't favor any individual member state.

Ireland was a signatory to the Maastricht Treaty, but once again we are reminded of the need to equally consider smaller nations when discussing EUwide matters ;-)

And I don't think Brexit had any benefits. They already don't use the Euro so they can do weird neoliberal wonk stuff to their heart's contents, and they have nukes so we'll be feeding them one way or another so why worry? (That's what we've taught the world by letting NK get them BTW.)

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by hobofan »

izacus wrote: post #225
sakjur wrote: post #167

I find the bridges to be rather brilliant, as they're distinctly European without being placeable (until Spijkenisse got feeling[1]). The least historical governmental buildings in Europe seems like an awful choice by contrast: They're tied to a physical location in western Europe that most of us have little to no connection to. They're boring (which is not a criticism of the buildings, they're functional which is th…

As I mentioned elsewhere, it's kinda strange they didn't learn the lesson from Euro coins and did multiple versions of each banknote to cover and represent every member state with at least one person.

With the amount of security mechanisms in a banknote that have to be tailed to each design, I would assume that making that many variants would be financially irresponsible.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by gruez »

ginko wrote: post #259
sva_ wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci You mean Europeans? Because I highly doubt more ppl know about them than about Jesus. And I'd claim the most well known European is probably Hitler, through infamy.

Jesus isn’t European

>>> Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci

>>You mean Europeans?

>Jesus isn’t European

That's exactly the point?

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by tialaramex »

GuB-42 wrote: post #256
asdf88990 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think people of some countries might protest Gutenberg, Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Maria Callas, Beethoven, or Marrie Currie? If such people exist, fuck em.

Of course not, but people may complain that none of them are from their country. Maybe someone from Spain would like to see Picasso or some other famous Spanish figure in there. That's the reason for using generic images, the EU and the Eurozone in particular is a trade alliance of countries with different cultures. I like what they did with coins the best, where one face is common, showing a map of Europe, and the o…

The reason not to do this with banknotes is that they wouldn't be accepted. "No weird money".

I happen to live in a city on England's south coast. So Scotland is quite far away and understandably Scottish banknotes, though legally equivalent to the notes you'd get here in most senses, are rarely seen. I know what they're supposed to look like and that they're 1:1 equivalent, but of course the guy who runs the Chinese takeaway near me wouldn't have seen one before. So what happens when a Glaswegian down for the weekend wants to order some food and tries to pay with the Scottish £10 in his wallet? The owner doesn't accept it. "No, no, no!". The Glaswegian insists it's legal tender [which is irrelevant, but if you don't know why it's irrelevant feel free to go look it up, it's not helpful for me to tell him this even if he believes me and I see no reason I need to explain to you either] and of course all the time they're arguing about money I am not getting my food.

So I took the man's Scottish £10 and handed the restaurant owner an English £10 because I don't care and now I can order food. Weird money is bad.

If you live in a border town you'd see notes from both sides. If you work in a tourist-facing industry you might recognise most of the variants because tourists tend to have their country's notes. But if you're some small town shopkeeper in Poland why would you know that this is real €200 note from Luxemboug? It's probably a fake, isn't it? So you make friction for these notes higher (some shopkeepers won't accept them) and even if legally they're fine you can't fix that friction in practice so people hate this outcome.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by morningsam »

byroot wrote: post #114
krick wrote: post #108

Hope it's the birds. I suppose there's no way to vote or anything with the current level of technological advancement, and the final design will be chosen by professional choosers that are handsomely paid for their hard work?

There's a public survey: https://surveys.ecb.europa.eu/10b/neweuro/

Thank you. I wish they had used a pairwise comparison system like the one built by pil0u [1] for this. If I hadn't looked at all of them in advance, I would've had to go back to "normalize" my previous answers after seeing one that I especially like/hate.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49041625

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by usrusr »

HackerThemAll wrote: post #34
fodkodrasz wrote: post #14

I wonder why do we need new notes... but I guess running some competition is not a tragedy. You can see all side-by-side here: https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/banknotes/future_banknotes/ht... My takes: Designs A and B and I are not terrible, but I'm not impressed. Design C - the backside looks like the worst soulless corporate landing page graphics (Corporate Memphis style?). Design D and E, H are okayish. Possibly I'…

> I wonder why do we need new notes... An average lifetime of a banknote is 1-2 years for smaller amounts, 2-4 years for bigger ones. It is estimated that 15-25% of all banknotes are replaced every year. From about 30 billion individual banknotes in circulation that makes 4.5B to 7.5B each year. So why not introduce new designs (and new protections?)

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Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by tialaramex »

meeshmuesh wrote: post #249
asdf88990 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think people of some countries might protest Gutenberg, Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Maria Callas, Beethoven, or Marrie Currie? If such people exist, fuck em.

It's not about protesting, it's about representation. They were born into what are now, Germany, Germany, Italy, USA, Germany, Polish. Why not any of the below ? Austria: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Belgium: Georges Lemaître Bulgaria: Saint Cyril Croatia: Nikola Tesla Cyprus: Zeno of Citium Czechia: Franz Kafka Denmark: Hans Christian Andersen Estonia: Jaan Kross Finland: Jean Sibelius France: Napoleon Bonaparte Greece:…

Beethoven in particular is easy. The EU doesn't have a national anthem, or a national flag, because it insists it isn't a nation, but Europe does have an anthem and a flag and of course the EU represents Europe, so it uses those, that's Europe's flag on the money. Europe's anthem is basically the bit you know from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

Officially the EU prefers Karajan's arrangement, if you're a huge classical music fan you'll recognise this immediately, but for most people it's just obviously the Ninth.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by ktosobcy »

wvbdmp wrote: post #224
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

I sort of disagree, the faces SHOULD foster a unified identification as European. And at least on paper they do kind of nicely, imho. No one can argue with Da Vinci. Curie is Polish-French. Callas is internationally beloved and Greek. Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci, and can be claimed by the whole German-speaking area, at least Germany and Austria. Cervantes is perhaps more…

> Curie is Polish-French. Callas is internationally beloved and Greek.

Erm... by this logic either: "Currie is French" or "Callas is American"

Also: you meant "Skłodowska"? :P

You see the issues here? ;)

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by ktosobcy »

Current (bridges connecting) is very nice IMHO. I would change the dimensions maybe (I hate that the bills are taller than wider).

From the proposal I like birds way more - no issue with national associations and "birds cross borders beyond nations".

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