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Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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crote wrote: post #208

I feel like the design guidelines were fundamentally flawed, and as a logical result none of the design proposals are better than what we already have. The whole "some person's face" thing doesn't work because most people won't be familiar with them. Heck, you'd be lucky if the average person is familiar with their names ! The birds & buildings suffer from the same issue: never seen them, can't identify them, don't c…

> The whole "some person's face" thing doesn't work because most people won't be familiar with them.

There’s millennia of history of having coins and paper money faces that most people will not be familiar with.

> The previous two series - depicting bridge types and building styles - neatly bypassed this by being something everyone could relate to,

I don’t see much difference there. Just as many people can’t see more than “man with beard” or “bird with long legs”, I bet many people can’t seen more than “old bridge” or “modern bridge” for the current designs (what fraction of the population can discriminate the €5 ‘classical’ from the €10 ‘romanesque’ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes)?)

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CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

You think people of some countries might protest Gutenberg, Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Maria Callas, Beethoven, or Marrie Currie?

If such people exist, fuck em.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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firefax wrote: post #95

It's a shame due to Brexit there will be no Count Binface €10.

The main benefit of Brexit is that the EU is now able to use English as a neutral universal language which is both commonly-known and doesn't favor any individual member state.

Clearly the best choice would've been to extend this and put British buildings or British historical people on the next generation of Euro notes. It would favor no EU country, so clearly it is the most neutral option. /s

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Post by wvbdmp »

CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

I sort of disagree, the faces SHOULD foster a unified identification as European. And at least on paper they do kind of nicely, imho. No one can argue with Da Vinci. Curie is Polish-French. Callas is internationally beloved and Greek. Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci, and can be claimed by the whole German-speaking area, at least Germany and Austria. Cervantes is perhaps more obscure as a face, but well-deserved and everyone knows “quixotic”. Von Suttner is the most obscure and probably overrepresents the German-speaking countries, but it’s Europe, so the pacifist angle is hard to argue against.

Everyone can think of similarly deserving people. They should do it like the coins and just have an abundance of motifs from every country. Since they’re too scared to put english text on them, put a QR code link to some short text in every language. I cringe at the idea of QR codes in general, but what are you going to do.

The buildings are all the same steel and glass bullshit and represent nothing if not the widely despised bureaucratic aspects of the EU. The birds at least look nice, but they’re boring and hyper-harmless.

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Post by izacus »

sakjur wrote: post #167

I find the bridges to be rather brilliant, as they're distinctly European without being placeable (until Spijkenisse got feeling[1]). The least historical governmental buildings in Europe seems like an awful choice by contrast: They're tied to a physical location in western Europe that most of us have little to no connection to. They're boring (which is not a criticism of the buildings, they're functional which is th…

As I mentioned elsewhere, it's kinda strange they didn't learn the lesson from Euro coins and did multiple versions of each banknote to cover and represent every member state with at least one person.

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Post by crote »

vel0city wrote: post #130
krick wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, though? I'd much prefer not to carry any coins at all, ever since I gave up and stopped fighting the Big Brother (I applaud everyone who still does, but it just didn't seem like my struggle was productive). I mean, to think of it, coins never were very nice to use, I just wasn't bothered by it, because the volume of cash on me was quite significant anyway. Now it's not and I just don't carry any coins at all. Pa…

Coins are far more durable and usually easier for machines to properly sense. If you're using vending machines to buy drinks it's nice just dropping a coin or two into a machine and getting a beverage. Notes can get worn and fail to read properly by machines taking bills in the field. When you need like 5 of the most widely circulated coins for a single drink it gets annoying though. I miss seeing machines that would…

Coins don't fold, though. Carrying a few bills around in a money clip is trivial, coins quickly devolve into carrying a giant pile of loose change with near-zero value.

The main reason I don't use more cash is that it is so inconvenient. I don't want any coins back as change, and always telling cashiers to keep the change when the smallest bill is €5 is just too much for me.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by CrLf »

asdf88990 wrote: post #222
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

You think people of some countries might protest Gutenberg, Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Maria Callas, Beethoven, or Marrie Currie? If such people exist, fuck em.

It's not a matter of protesting (nor is it a matter of nationalism).

It's a matter of bureocrats remembering that there are more countries in the eurozone than banknotes, and even if that wasn't the case, their denominations can be read as hierarchy.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by crote »

thyristan wrote: post #8

There were some clearly superior suggestions they left out: https://xcancel.com/The_Davos_Man/status/2080383908823081426 ;)

You know, that actually isn't the worst idea! Putting tangible results of the EU on the Euro would constantly remember people that the EU isn't just some nameless and faceless bureaucrats doing busy-work in an office building in Brussels.

The cookie notification is of course a bit silly, but a "Thanks to the EU you'll never lose another bottle cap" or a "This standardized USB-C charger is brought to you by the EU" would do wonders for its PR.

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Post by testdelacc1 »

CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

Your issue is that people in Spain look at their note and think “da Vinci isn’t us, he’s them”.

Their idea is that they want people all over the EU to think of da Vinci as “us”. Over time, it’ll become more normal to consider luminaries from other European countries as part of the shared heritage.

That said there will be countries that may ask why their guy can’t make it to the note. Why not Herge, the Belgians might ask? The question is left as an exercise to the reader.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by crote »

eviks wrote: post #163

Is size not part of "shared identity and values"? Also, if you like animals, why not use different kinds for easier differentiation rather than stick to birds users will not even know names for?

What do you mean? The various denominations intentionally have different sizes so that blind people can tell them apart by touch. Surely you're not suggesting that they should all be the same size?
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