I regret migrating to Codeberg • Hacker News Board

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#561

Post by inigyou » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 10:57 AM UTC

skinfaxi wrote: post #536

inigyou wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a carpenter uses a table saw, is he still a carpenter? What if he just throws wood randomly at the table saw and tries to sell whatever pieces come out? (Never do this with a table saw, btw. They can, and will if you don't use proper procedures, throw wood sideways at speeds that can punch through walls and impale people)

This analogy doesn't make much sense to me. Is the table saw analogous to LLMs because they both work with the appropriate substrate (wood/text)? I don't see how an LLM is like a table saw at all. Is a musician less of a musician if they use a pre-recorded back-beat and sing on top? Are you not a musician if you use the chord mode on a keyboard? Is code not hand-written if my editor automatically closes all of my htm…

I think you already know the answers to all of these questions.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#562

Post by inigyou » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 10:58 AM UTC

rpdillon wrote: post #538

inigyou wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be the same as literally every other ToS ever: if they detect a problem and trace it to you, and you're blatantly violating the terms, they kick you off. If they detect a problem and trace it to you, and you're subtly violating the terms, they lock out whatever is causing the problem and get in contact with you.

You're trying to sidestep how enforceable something is, and instead implicitly admit that enforcement will be inconsistent. That's my issue. Not all ToS are this way, and they're better for it.

Perfect enforcement is called tyranny. Anything that matters isn't enforced perfectly.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#563

Post by inigyou » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 10:58 AM UTC

Hendrikto wrote: post #555

inigyou wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should GNOME and Forgejo, which are great projects, have to suffer the same limitations as a blob of non-working output from a Markov chain? It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per source address to all messages. Most vibe projects aren't even projects in the way that spam isn't even mail . The message says it's from my bank but it…

I do not think you get the point. Yes, human rights should apply to anybody, including war criminals. That is what makes them HUMAN rights. Universal freedoms and neutrality should apply universally, including to waste-of-time-and-resources AI slop. That is what makes them UNIVERSAL and NEUTRAL. > It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per…

If Google allowed each spammer to send me up to 1k messages per day that wouldn't exactly solve the spam problem, would it?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#564

Post by inigyou » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 11:00 AM UTC

graemep wrote: post #472

inigyou wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't it because he said it was okay to breed 16 year old girls or something?

The point is that he did not even try to link his view about sex and age of consent into anything to do with open source. I have not read much of what he said about it, but he recently said that it is absurd that variations in the age of consent means something can be rape in one country but completely legal in another (e.g. US vs UK vs Italy). He also earlier claimed that that minors could consent to sex and not be…

[flagged]

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#565

Post by lostmsu » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 12:03 PM UTC

throwayay4929 wrote: post #403

y0ssar1an wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6. the reason we have linux is because a bunch of geeks took a stand. i understand that you can't fight every battle, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't fight any battles. you're making a rationalization because taking a stand is usually inconvenient, and you don't want to be inconvenienced by anything.

Supposing you know someone's motivation as if you have access to their psyche is a very unproductive way to participate in a discussion. The reason we have a Linux is because a bunch of geeks took a stand on an issue they cared about and _focused on_. We wouldn't have Linux if the project also took on matters like teenage pregnancy, surveillance, and gerrymandering.

That's a very good point. What if codeberg decides tomorrow that they got weary of all worldly affairs, and from then on will only host dev tools?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#566

Post by graemep » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 12:21 PM UTC

inigyou wrote: post #564

graemep wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that he did not even try to link his view about sex and age of consent into anything to do with open source. I have not read much of what he said about it, but he recently said that it is absurd that variations in the age of consent means something can be rape in one country but completely legal in another (e.g. US vs UK vs Italy). He also earlier claimed that that minors could consent to sex and not be…

[flagged]

The politicians and other people with power to make things worse are those who correspond to Hitler in your analogy. Stallman is more like a random ex-Nazi (he no longer holds those views) so like a huge chunk of the postwar German population.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#567

Post by tliltocatl » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 12:35 PM UTC

Hendrikto wrote: post #555

inigyou wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should GNOME and Forgejo, which are great projects, have to suffer the same limitations as a blob of non-working output from a Markov chain? It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per source address to all messages. Most vibe projects aren't even projects in the way that spam isn't even mail . The message says it's from my bank but it…

I do not think you get the point. Yes, human rights should apply to anybody, including war criminals. That is what makes them HUMAN rights. Universal freedoms and neutrality should apply universally, including to waste-of-time-and-resources AI slop. That is what makes them UNIVERSAL and NEUTRAL. > It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per…

Hosting your code on a free server is not a universal right. It is a privilege.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#568

Post by tliltocatl » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 12:43 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #428

consumer451 wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not well informed on this Codeberg story, but could this simply be a way for them to avoid some of the destructive loads that GitHub has been experiencing since "vibe coding" became a thing? Maybe the code origin purity test is just a way to explain it? It appears to be just that: > The vote follows ongoing efforts by Codeberg to prevent automated software (bots) from taxing its infrastructure with excessive net…

(1) Cache the non logged-in pages. You can even host static pages in an unmetered way. They maintain their web service software. They should just do that. If an account is knocking over infra by scraping, ban the account. Make it slightly harder to sign up or something, if necessary. (2) Vibe coding agents like Claude Code, Codex, Copilot and the grok thing all prefer local copies of a project to scraping web service…

> Why would a developer using LLMs be hammering their own codeberg site?

Because a significant percentage of "developers using LLM" have no clue what they are doing?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#569

Post by tulio_ribeiro » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 1:42 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #54

vintagedave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Troubling, though I see it's a typical internet half-off-topic discussion. What kind of conversation has been present in the chat room?

> What kind of conversation has been present in the chat room? The original reply that closes the issue is this: > This is not a place to continue or start a new discussion about AI or not AI and its copyright status in the world, it will not change the results or how its going to be interpreted. I'm closing this issue, you're more than welcome to continue this at https://matrix.to/#/#codeberg-offtopic:matrix.org Mak…

Needs to be a member of parent #codeberg, which is invite only. I wonder if they gated the room after public backlash?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

#570

Post by cyberinfern0 » Sat, Jul 25, 2026, 2:12 PM UTC

On tab change dynamic title update is crazy xD