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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

preya2k wrote: post #38

Another very american understanding of censorship. In Germany (where Codeberg is registered), censorship means censorship by a government. A private entity (Verein) deciding what and how they want to run their business is typically not considered censorship (maybe the term "private censorship" could work), but just "freedom of doing business". So if you want to argue FOR freedom, you could also turn this argument aro…

Actually, the American understanding of censorship,(the first amendment) is exactly the same. It only counts if the government does it.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by graemep »

inigyou wrote: post #412
pessimizer wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RMS headed a political organization, and kept his political campaigning to things directly related to the politics that his organization represented. The people who were angry at RMS's "politics" were always actually mad at the concept of Free Software in general, and the fact that RMS thinks that software that is not Free is bad software (and does not think you are an exception.) He wasn't banging on about trans rig…

Wasn't it because he said it was okay to breed 16 year old girls or something?

The point is that he did not even try to link his view about sex and age of consent into anything to do with open source.

I have not read much of what he said about it, but he recently said that it is absurd that variations in the age of consent means something can be rape in one country but completely legal in another (e.g. US vs UK vs Italy).

He also earlier claimed that that minors could consent to sex and not be harmed. While I loathe that claim, it does not seem right that many other people who made the same claim (a number of British politicians and civil rights activists have endorsed, as have similar people in other countries) it seems odd that the latter get away with it and Stallman does not. I think its the people in positions of power (e.g. politicians) who most need to resign (permanently!) for having held those views.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #206
mschuster91 wrote: post #201

> Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken. The problem in here is German laws, particularly stuff like the "Störerhaftung", and what Codeberg wants is a fast avenue to yeet projects that…

The question is why Codeberg needs to be stationed in Germany known for its goofy laws at every corner.

Because it's run by German people living in Germany? Feel free to move to Anguilla and start an Anguillan one following Anguillan laws.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

throwayay4929 wrote: post #290
mschuster91 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany may have goofy laws but a very stable and predictable political environment. That is why there is a long and rich history here - KDE e.V, the ones who run the same-name Linux desktop, SuSE, The Document Foundation (LibreOffice), FSF's European branch, CCC, Open Knowledge Foundation, Open Search Foundation... and that's just the most prominent ones. In general, these rules have been known for a very long time,…

In Germany you can't leave a 3 star review saying "it's just ok" for a restaurant because the owner can sue Google for defamation so Google just removes your review[0]. "Politicians send SWAT teams to the homes of people, famously in the case of Andy Grote, where someone replied "you're such a dick" to one of Grote's tweets. Grote reported this to the police, the attorney general figured out who the poster was, and s…

That is, indeed, stable and predictable.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by pelasaco »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #329
pelasaco wrote: post #322

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Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? Who wants to learn, learns.. we did without Internet, and I still learn with AI.. btw, is in the "Satzung" from Codeberg e.V something about "learn to code?

> Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? The learning doesn't come from copying and pasting code from stack overflow. It comes from A) searching which code to copy and paste and B) Fixing the broken code that you just copied and pasted. I suspect most programmers outgrow the "copying and pasting from stackoverflow" period of their development pretty quickly when…

That's no sense. People learn in different ways. Multiple people just copied and pasted from stack overflow. Other learned from that. Same with AI

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

mschuster91 wrote: post #211
RicoElectrico wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is why Codeberg needs to be stationed in Germany known for its goofy laws at every corner.

Germany may have goofy laws but a very stable and predictable political environment. That is why there is a long and rich history here - KDE e.V, the ones who run the same-name Linux desktop, SuSE, The Document Foundation (LibreOffice), FSF's European branch, CCC, Open Knowledge Foundation, Open Search Foundation... and that's just the most prominent ones. In general, these rules have been known for a very long time,…

It's because a lot of free software people are in Germany. Nothing more, nothing less. This may be related to the policy of teaching everyone fluent English as a second language since elementary school, or to the old school Chaos Computer Club.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

animesh wrote: post #435
selfhoster1312 wrote: post #180

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Not really. See https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-pri...

Sorry, but I do not understand. Can I host a repo publicly at least while it is still in initial development stages? For example, I have two repos that have been in development for more than 2 years. I intend to show case them and continue them as open source, but I will probably be the only user for a while. These two predate AI/LLM advancements, and I am pretty anti-AI for non-professional use cases. As someone put…

Yes, unless it's obviously something that is only ever usable by you. If they did remove it for some reason anyway, they would contact you first because it isn't spam.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by pelasaco »

zyx321 wrote: post #335
pelasaco wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? Who wants to learn, learns.. we did without Internet, and I still learn with AI.. btw, is in the "Satzung" from Codeberg e.V something about "learn to code?

Did you... read my post? The first thing I posted in this thread was a direct quote from the Satzung. Did you think "education" was about learning the history of the Ottoman Empire..?

Your first post has nothing about "learning", it comes from the Satzung, but it has 0 contact with really. Typical Berlin

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

GaryBluto wrote: post #259

If you wants to make their own forge where LLM-assisted work is prohibited, go ahead. Waiting for people to go all-in on your service and then kicking them out however is frankly rotten thing to do; but entirely expected of Codeberg, which is more a political community than a useful forge.

Why did you think they wanted everyone to go all-in? They have always been opinionated.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

woodpanel wrote: post #207

> the one part I moved there for, namely the “freedom” part Being from Germany I wondered from day-one how the project's "freedom"-promise ( "We celebrate free culture, openness" ) would eventually work out, because lets face it, Germany is not a free-spech crazed country, even less so are its tech-people and especially not the culture in Berlin. So the idea of a Berlin-based e.V. full of German sysadmins voting on s…

As long as you don't insult someone or support Palestine it shouldn't be a problem. German speech law is strict, but predictable. Although there was originally no law against supporting Palestine - it was a reinterpretation of the anti-Nazi laws - I believe they've now made it a law.
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