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Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by crote »

Towaway69 wrote: post #192

Interestingly some of them have socialist/soviet design but are all bad in their own ways. - Birds combined with concrete block builds - dead old people (and grumpy looking in the case of beethoven) combined with concrete blocks - busy and abstract designs that end up being meaningless Bland, boring & repetitive designs - what else can one expect from a technocracy. Where is inspiration and future when europe continu…

> Bland, boring & repetitive designs - what else can one expect from a technocracy.

The first two generations of Euro bills, for example. Not bland, not especially boring, not repetitive.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by CrLf »

wvbdmp wrote: post #224
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

I sort of disagree, the faces SHOULD foster a unified identification as European. And at least on paper they do kind of nicely, imho. No one can argue with Da Vinci. Curie is Polish-French. Callas is internationally beloved and Greek. Beethoven is potentially the second-best known world-wide behind Da Vinci, and can be claimed by the whole German-speaking area, at least Germany and Austria. Cervantes is perhaps more…

I'm europeist (but no longer a federationist after the cooperation debacle that was the eurocrisis) and I have no issue with the choice of personalities.

I do have an issue with anything that might be interpreted as the proposals of some countries having had more weight that others.

There's a reason why the current Euro banknotes represent bridges that do not exist in the real world.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by CrLf »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #229
CrLf wrote: post #215

Faces on Euro banknotes are a terrible idea. Even internationally well-known personalities are associated with certain countries, and you do not put things that represent specific countries on banknotes used in different countries. The EU isn't a federation, and having a single currency doesn't make the eurozone any more so. The buildings aren't as bad, being european insitution headquarters. However, as they aren't…

Your issue is that people in Spain look at their note and think “da Vinci isn’t us, he’s them”. Their idea is that they want people all over the EU to think of da Vinci as “us”. Over time, it’ll become more normal to consider luminaries from other European countries as part of the shared heritage. That said there will be countries that may ask why their guy can’t make it to the note. Why not Herge, the Belgians might…

Your last question is something to consider in the current context of rising nationalism, which is all about the perception of being left out (even in the larger countries, where that perception is about each other).

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by tomp »

IlikeMadison wrote: post #218
crote wrote: post #208

I feel like the design guidelines were fundamentally flawed, and as a logical result none of the design proposals are better than what we already have. The whole "some person's face" thing doesn't work because most people won't be familiar with them. Heck, you'd be lucky if the average person is familiar with their names ! The birds & buildings suffer from the same issue: never seen them, can't identify them, don't c…

>there's a very genuine risk of people being upset over being underrepresented Explain yourself. Who the hell could feel upset upon seeing Marie Curie, Beethoven, da Vinci or Maria Callas? They are all very recognizable, well known European figures with astounding achievements and highly respected by any true European worth its name. Are you suggesting we should erase them because of someone's feeling?

I've never heard of Maria Callas before. Especially ridiculous because she was born in the US and Wikipedia describes her as American and Greek.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by CrisMystik »

cm2187 wrote: post #203
lrasinen wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the EU and you absolutely can put a French building on a banknote. I'd much rather look at the Eiffel tower or the Tower of Pisa or Neuschwanstein castle than the European Court of Auditors. Or if you like to have something modern, Paimio Sanatorium or Turning Torso.

But that defeats the purpose of having a boring glass building, or birds or modern bridges. The underpinning ideology is that europe should have no history, no culture and no identity, because suggesting anything else 1) will offend the hyper sensitivity of modern left ideologues who think that the said culture, history and identity is terrible and should only be condemned, apologised for, and buried, and 2) would be…

The underpinning ideology is that Europe (meaning the EU) should have no history, no culture and no identity because they are monopoly of the member States/nations. And, as always, if you put a monument or person from some country in the banknotes, the other states will complain

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by fakedang »

kaizenb wrote: post #50
klausa wrote: post #4

A better link might be https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/banknotes/future_banknotes/ht... , which has all of the proposals on a single page for easier browsing.

I wish I've seen this before clicking 2359 times :/ Thanks anyway at least now I can share the right experience with people so they won't suffer like me. Also I like birds. H looks nice.

Yeah, either H or B bird faces would work. Both are nice.

I don't like the idea of using faces in the banknotes - when will North Macedonia get its turn and with whom? When will Ireland get its turn? Bulgaria?

Birds are neutral and nice.

Also for the back, much rather I'd have the EU map instead of clunky EU institutions, else people will just see that as more evidence of further EU intrusion.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by vel0city »

crote wrote: post #226
vel0city wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coins are far more durable and usually easier for machines to properly sense. If you're using vending machines to buy drinks it's nice just dropping a coin or two into a machine and getting a beverage. Notes can get worn and fail to read properly by machines taking bills in the field. When you need like 5 of the most widely circulated coins for a single drink it gets annoying though. I miss seeing machines that would…

Coins don't fold, though. Carrying a few bills around in a money clip is trivial, coins quickly devolve into carrying a giant pile of loose change with near-zero value. The main reason I don't use more cash is that it is so inconvenient . I don't want any coins back as change, and always telling cashiers to keep the change when the smallest bill is €5 is just too much for me.

> coins quickly devolve into carrying a giant pile of loose change with near-zero value.

Which is why it'd be better if they weren't all nearly zero value in today's money. Coins of tiny value really suck, I agree. What am I going to do with nickels and dimes, really? So useless.

I also agree bills made from that plastic material seem to hold up better and scan better by machines than the "paper" used in USD, so that's less of a concern.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by eviks »

crote wrote: post #230
eviks wrote: post #163

Is size not part of "shared identity and values"? Also, if you like animals, why not use different kinds for easier differentiation rather than stick to birds users will not even know names for?

What do you mean? The various denominations intentionally have different sizes so that blind people can tell them apart by touch. Surely you're not suggesting that they should all be the same size?

While I doubt the benefit of small differences to signal the absolute value (sure, you can feel that one is bigger, but that is it 10 vs 5 bigger or 50 vs 20 bigger?), especially compared to other more helpful direct signs like the raised print, I'm not suggesting eliminating that.

But I'm suggesting varying the desin of both the absolutes (e.g., I'd prefer all of them to be smaller) and the variability (e.g, what about making the most used first 3 notes significantly different length for the easiest differentiation: 1/3, 2/3, 3/3) instead of just playing with some pics.

Re: Future euro banknote design proposals

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Post by vel0city »

Freak_NL wrote: post #144
vel0city wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coins are far more durable and usually easier for machines to properly sense. If you're using vending machines to buy drinks it's nice just dropping a coin or two into a machine and getting a beverage. Notes can get worn and fail to read properly by machines taking bills in the field. When you need like 5 of the most widely circulated coins for a single drink it gets annoying though. I miss seeing machines that would…

> I miss seeing machines that would bend a 12oz can of soda for 25¢. Those were the days. A bending machine?

Oops, what a funny autocorrect. A vending machine.
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