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Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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> Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but if your country's safety depends on ability to block all forms of private person to person messages, your government has failed in one of its primary goals: providing safety for its citizens. Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but "providing safety for its citizens" is not, has never been, and never will be a "goal" of any government on this planet.

You are just very pessimistic and cinic person. Governments DO HAVE to try to protect its citizens against internal and external threats. Otherwise people will "abandon" the government up to a certain point. Case in point: When cartels dominated small towns in Mexico, people gathered in small armies (Auto defensas). Same thing with Zapatistas.

The only purpose of any government, anywhere, is to protect the ruling class (whether they are internal or external to said government).

The US supreme court has explicitly ruled, on several occasions, that the government has no duty to protect its citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzale...

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Not for diversions necessarily. Diversion versus expected connection should at least help one’s lawyers… hopefully.

Lawyers can get you out of jail, but you need to be pretty rich for your lawyers to prevent going to jail in the first place.

Beat rap not ride right!

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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That was Australia. In China, they welded the doors to their housing units shut.

Really? I suppose you'll be able to provide proof that people were forcibly taken?

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Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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post #352
post #348

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You are just very pessimistic and cinic person. Governments DO HAVE to try to protect its citizens against internal and external threats. Otherwise people will "abandon" the government up to a certain point. Case in point: When cartels dominated small towns in Mexico, people gathered in small armies (Auto defensas). Same thing with Zapatistas.

The only purpose of any government, anywhere, is to protect the ruling class (whether they are internal or external to said government). The US supreme court has explicitly ruled, on several occasions, that the government has no duty to protect its citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzale...

> any government

Proceeds to give example of one of the most oligarchical countries that ignore financial transparency laws on an industrial scale.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Sadly that wasn't possible in the US political climate and maybe a million people lost their lives as a result.

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As much as he says a lot of stupid stuff this bleach one always annoyed me because the full clip clearly showed that he wasn't talking about bleach he was talking about looking to find something as effective as bleach, and he was repeating something from an advisor who then pretended to not hear him when he asked. It always seemed like a media setup and I always dislike those no matter how bad the target is

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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I wonder what is it with this denial of the existence of India prior to 1947. If people were specific and said that they were referring to the Republic of India as the successor state to British-controlled India, then it would at least make some sense. Otherwise it sounds completely insane. If India was invented 79 years ago, then you need to explain the various East India companies established in the 1600s, and all…

There was no unified political entity prior to 1947---technically, 26 January 1950---because it took that long for Sardal Patel's program of political unification of sovereign princely states to conclude, so that the now-unified political entity would govern itself under common constitutional, and common law, with democratic universal franchise. The East India Company, and then the British Raj, held power because the…

> There was no unified political entity prior to 1947

There have been many (empires, not modern, Westphalian nation-states), but the British managed to create the largest yet. Pakistan was carved out of British India on Muslim and non-Muslim lines.

> Who agreed to the legal terms? The rulers of the sovereign princely states and kingdoms.

Sovereign in name, but vassals nonetheless.

> Our very collective identity was conferred upon us by outsiders.

It is a name, not an identity. This is like saying the Indians conferred upon the Chinese their identity because the word cīna is of Sanskrit origin and the world calls the Chinese ... Chinese ... due to that.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Agreed, and I'm happy to live in a country where this is likely true. The only thing more deadly than pandemics are governments that gained sufficient power to round up their citizens systematically in the name of the public good.

If you think that the 1:30 ratio of guns to people in the US is going to stop the government from doing whatever the fuck they want, you are suffering from a potentially terminal case of optimism. I am an ardent believer in “Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”(even though the context was the Penn family bribing the governor to avoid taxat…

You say that, and yet insurgents with a tiny fraction of the population using mostly 60s era guns with zero access to the US economy and base logistical stores or sources managed to keep the US on their toes for two decades. A single redneck in Texas with a hunting rifle has 100x more damage potential to the US military and economy than 1000 middle eastern insurgents.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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There was no unified political entity prior to 1947---technically, 26 January 1950---because it took that long for Sardal Patel's program of political unification of sovereign princely states to conclude, so that the now-unified political entity would govern itself under common constitutional, and common law, with democratic universal franchise. The East India Company, and then the British Raj, held power because the…

> There was no unified political entity prior to 1947 There have been many (empires, not modern, Westphalian nation-states), but the British managed to create the largest yet. Pakistan was carved out of British India on Muslim and non-Muslim lines. > Who agreed to the legal terms? The rulers of the sovereign princely states and kingdoms. Sovereign in name, but vassals nonetheless. > Our very collective identity was c…

I'm sorry what, Hindu is not an identity?

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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At least then we'd have hard proof of what kind of country the USA is.

You’ve got mountains of proof at this point. Recent Supreme Court rulings on presidential immunity should be enough.

Not everyone believes it, because it's too complicated for them to understand.
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