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The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.

A colony is a specific thing. It isn't like London colonized the north of England, or Paris colonized France, but the power of those cities resulted in a loss of linguistic diversity in the region.

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

Reminds me of this possible development: https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3576

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

But why would anyone want that? Having interpersonal communication gated behind some translation technology is some dystopian nightmare.

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

Human languages aren't just a set of more or less arbitrary conventions relating groups of sounds with meanings. Language is probably humanity's greatest and most advanced technology, making most of the other ones possible. And it's also art and play, a repository of original wisdom encoded in the various etymologies. It steers thinking down certain pathways in ways which are hard to even point to - because it would be a bit like the finger trying to point at itself. They are collectively created artifacts which encode the wisdom of generations. The deeper, wider and more diverse that pool, the more powerful the product. A human language invented by one person or by a group of people cannot ever compare in depth and richness to the languages most people use to communicate and think.

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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post #14

With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

Human languages aren't just a set of more or less arbitrary conventions relating groups of sounds with meanings. Language is probably humanity's greatest and most advanced technology, making most of the other ones possible. And it's also art and play, a repository of original wisdom encoded in the various etymologies. It steers thinking down certain pathways in ways which are hard to even point to - because it would…

Mighty rivers start as a trickle. Enough trickles and fetch happens.

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

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Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

>How fast might a specialty language evolve

Pretty fast, actually. At least if you leave it up to kids.†

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Sign_Language

Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene

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With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat. How fast might a specialty l…

BS. We don't even have training data for the more than 6000 languages in the tail of the distribution.
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