The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
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Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#2What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading.
> Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures.
Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#3What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
Guns, Germs and Steel in cultural terms?
Still, the guns (or in general, weapons) part was important, centuries of in practice isolation eventually gives you a different language, until an invader wipes your population, culture and language because it wants more resources and new territories for expansion over slaves that can't understand them (or germs finishing the work anyway).
Low granularity on data over long periods doesn't help there, with history, written word and then mass printing not only you get better records, but also you get a pressure for normalization and loss of language diversity.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#4What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
They're not the same. "recent" and "first" are doing a lot of work in the quoted sentence.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#5What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
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Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#6What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
I envy (or maybe feel for) the longevity of those who see the Mongol Empire, the Roman Empire, the Babylonian Empire as recent events.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#7What a coincidence I was just recently wondering when in history had the most distinct languages spoken. This peak described here is later than what I remember reading. > Great loss of linguistic diversity did not begin with recent colonial expansion but as multinational empires first spread along with their languages, pathogens, and cultures. Insert "they're the same picture" meme here.
Guns, Germs and Steel in cultural terms? Still, the guns (or in general, weapons) part was important, centuries of in practice isolation eventually gives you a different language, until an invader wipes your population, culture and language because it wants more resources and new territories for expansion over slaves that can't understand them (or germs finishing the work anyway). Low granularity on data over long pe…
It’s not limited to conquest, migration takes a heavy toll on languages spoken by a small number of people.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#8It makes sense.
If we think about pre-agriculture human societies, you have many small groups occupying different economic niches who may trade, fight, or intermarry with one another but are generally constrained in size and power by a lack of surplus. Lots of opportunity for many different isolated language communities to exist.
Sedentary agriculture leads to larger units of society and to more centralized power, which by its very nature erodes linguistic diversity. The existence of trade networks, tax collection, organized religion and the like force people to learn one another's language, and create the concepts of "trade" and "prestige" languages.
You can see how this played out in waves in Europe, the Near East, India, China, etc.
The remaining places with a high degree of linguistic diversity (in terms of more language families or language isolates) until very recently are those where more traditional human societies lasted longer. For example, Siberia, New Guinea, or Australia and North America before European contact.
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#9Something poignant about the knowledge in this paper staying lost behind a paywall.
Re: The rise and fall of language diversity through the Holocene
#10With current tech we are close to having a babel fish to put in our ear as a near universal translator. I have a dream that this will enable huge linguistic diversity, even down to one language per person, as translation costs approach nil. I could privately alias "blue" as "orange" and cause no confusion ... except for the increasingly niche application of meat speaking directly to meat.
How fast might a specialty language evolve if changes are no longer a barrier to understanding and propagate to the whole network in real time? Changes that used to take generations could happen in days or hours, meme by meme.