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Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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> the app enables communication even during network restrictions and creates a substantial risk of misuse by anti-national elements, terrorist organisations, organised criminal groups and cyber criminals seeking to evade lawful detection and continue communication despite legally imposed restrictions. This mouthful boils down to exactly this: a form of communication not controlled by the government creates a risk for…

Hilariously (darkly), during the pandemic, the very same reason is why the very same administrators were hell-bent on forcing Bluetooth-always-on contact tracing on the whole country's smartphone-carrying population. (edit: viz. that forcible peer-to-peer bluetooth networking works. One man's unrestricted mass-surveillance is another person's "terrorist activity". Oh how the turntables turn and turn.)

Was that 30 second bluetooth beacon ever switched off again?

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Hilariously (darkly), during the pandemic, the very same reason is why the very same administrators were hell-bent on forcing Bluetooth-always-on contact tracing on the whole country's smartphone-carrying population. (edit: viz. that forcible peer-to-peer bluetooth networking works. One man's unrestricted mass-surveillance is another person's "terrorist activity". Oh how the turntables turn and turn.)

But that did save lives; I was able to know my family had Covid before the symptoms showed up. Happened with a lot of other people too.

Indeed, and it would have saved far more lives if leveraged the app to have hazmat crews come in a forcibly carry the infected to quarantine zones.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Aside of if it's right or not (i actually think it is), the bag is out in the open, anyone any countries, any bad person or security persons are going to look at it now

If a country wants to ban private open source communication, then they do not deserve to enjoy the benefits of modern technology.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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I'm not condoning this but what would you suggest they should be doing to keep people safe? I'm fairly sure whatever they do you'd likely be complaining about it. Glad to be wrong though.

Are you suggesting that taking down an application is making people safe? People are making independent communication networks using reticulum, LORA devices and hold tight - unregistered radio transmitters. You can't seriously argue trying to take down ONE app is acting in the interests of national security?

> Are you suggesting that taking down an application is making people safe?

No I'm not.

> You can't seriously argue trying to take down ONE app is acting in the interests of national security?

Again I'm not.

See my replies to all the other comments. I'm only interested in what the OP of the comment I was replying to think governments should be doing.

They implied that if this goes on (TFA) then the government is incompetent and all the people should be fired. Seems to me this sort of thing is the focus of most world governments (chat control, online identity checks, etc). These are all the same thing and as the op states indicates that all these governments are incompetent. So what does a competent government look like? What acceptable stuff should they be doing to solve the issues these measures are attempting to solve (however badly).

Maybe my wording lead to misunderstanding but there you go.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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I was thinking the same thing. We do need more. I set up a Meshtastic node at the house and joined https://chicagolandmesh.org/ which has been a fantastic community for beginners in mesh based comms.

Question, what do you do with the network?

you use it to access the internet, but the point is if the internet access is disabled you still have a local network for p2p communication across the city. also multiple people/hubs in the network can provide provide internet access over different ISPs providing resilience if some ISPs go down, but not all of them.

freifunk in germany and funkfeuer in austria do the same thing.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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> the app enables communication even during network restrictions and creates a substantial risk of misuse by anti-national elements, terrorist organisations, organised criminal groups and cyber criminals seeking to evade lawful detection and continue communication despite legally imposed restrictions. This mouthful boils down to exactly this: a form of communication not controlled by the government creates a risk for…

and vote out incompetent persons in power. How you can vote someone out?

Recall elections. California loves them.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Title should specify that it is Indian government. I was worried for a second there that it was the American government. I should have read the url though.

But how far are they from such a headline do you think?

Few months.

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Japan has no trash cans. (reaction to the japanese subway attacks) Returning to the US from japan you notice. Japanese bathrooms don't have trash cans, so no paper towels. In the US, the bathrooms have trash cans overflowing with paper towel waste and it is quite a difference.

One thing I noticed is that I tended to accumulate a lot of trash in Japan. Connivence stores were plentiful and the food was tasty, but it was all wrapped in plastic. Where does all the trash go? More often than not, I ended up carrying trash in a backpack to throw away at my hotel.

Working as intended

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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Fwiw what you are describing is literally survivorship bias.

Yes, similarly the other side of people who survived authoritarian governments.

Re: Government orders GitHub to remove Bluetooth-based chat app Bitchat: Jack Dorsey

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It is simply not true to the same degree. The American colonies believed the King of England had violated their rights as Englishmen, Indian independence activists simply wanted Indians to have the same rights as other citizens of the UK and subjects of the British crown. The Indian independence movement started as a mirror of the Irish self-rule movement.

The 'Americans' felt that they were being treated as second class citizens with no meaningful political representation on their behalf. Hence rallying cries like 'no taxation without representation' which originated, at least in modern times, in Ireland.

The difference is that American colonials could return to England and have representation, while Indians could not, so no there is a distinct difference in what was being asked for.
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