Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models • Hacker News Board

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by thewebguyd » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

drnick1 wrote: post #195

tentahedronic wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a completely normal programmer salary in many countries, Silicon valley wages are just nuts. For example in Finland 55k before taxes is pretty good for ordinary non-wizard guy who can code, if you are a junior 40k is more realistic (and finding job in the first place can be a huge chaĺlenge..).

We are talking about the U.S. here, and no, 40k or 55k are not good salaries at all. It may be OK in Europe with the lower cost of living, etc., but the price of a new car is 50k in 2026, and a basic fast food meal pretty much anywhere is well north of $10.

And yet ~64+% of the US makes less than $74k/year. The median, once you filter out part-time and seasonal workers is ~$65k/year.

You're right, they are not good salaries but they are the reality of wages in the US outside of the SF/NYC bubble.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:41 PM UTC

thewebguyd wrote: post #139

christina97 wrote: post #9

I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.

Probably a real effort to push for some kind of sanctions or commerce block on Chinese models. Anthropic just doubled their political spending to $40 mil for the midterms to push for "AI Safety."

I suspect that whatever Musk has agreed to spend on the midterms in exchange for those sweetheart deals the SpaceX IPO got will make that look absolutely comical, but we’ll see.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by mlazos » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:42 PM UTC

somenameforme wrote: post #117

christina97 wrote: post #9

I wonder what is happening behind closed doors for these companies to be issuing such a joint letter.

The future will probably have most of all companies running local models, simply because the alternative would be essentially every company that uses LLMs ending up becoming completely dependent upon Anthropic et al. And that dependence would be milked to the point of absurdity once solidly established. And as a more general point - more major competitors in a domain is very good for everybody except those competitor…

Yeah I fully expect companies with lots of GPUs but not a good model like Microsoft and Amazon to just take these open weight models and make money, the GPU expense is the only moat at this point.

It’s classic commoditize your complement, nobody can replicate the cloud providers, everyone can replicate the models with open weights.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by gloryjulio » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:43 PM UTC

Openai and Anthropic's doom porn are also not helping their cause. The public will turn against them and watch their margin get eaten alive by open weight models

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by ozgrakkurt » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:44 PM UTC

novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

> K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security.

This is wrong IMO. You should have a serious conversation about your products security with someone who is actually trained on that subject. LLMs are useless if you don't already know more about the thing than the LLM, or if you don't care too much about the outcome (internal tools etc.)

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by mlazos » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:45 PM UTC

lr1970 wrote: post #65

The list of companies that signed this letter is telling (including Nvidia, Meta, Microsoft). Equally telling is the list of companies that did not sign it -- including Google, Amazon.

Google and Amazon are Anthropic investors right?

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by pulse7 » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:48 PM UTC

TheBicPen wrote: post #161

moralestapia wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. No law prevents you from provisioning and using your own hardware.

There absolutely are laws restricting what hardware you are allowed to use. e.g. https://www.fcc.gov/faqs-recent-updates-fcc-covered-list-reg...

Those are routers - not general purpose computers.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by jazzyjackson » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:49 PM UTC

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #205

novaleaf wrote: post #141

Some irony: I subscribe to Claude and Codex (20x plans), and now Kimi. Why Kimi? because K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. (I did apply for OpenAi's Cyber Pilot but got no response)

> K3 is the only frontier model I can have a serious conversation with about my product's security. This is wrong IMO. You should have a serious conversation about your products security with someone who is actually trained on that subject. LLMs are useless if you don't already know more about the thing than the LLM, or if you don't care too much about the outcome (internal tools etc.)

I think I like this perspective because it points to where regulation might be more usefully applied than “the oracle must be prevented from answering certain question” and more like, “if you handle PII or provide services as a defense contractor, you may not take security advice from an oracle”

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by ekidd » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:57 PM UTC

ma2kx wrote: post #77

It would be interesting to know how many optimizations of the Chinese models were incorporated back into Claude and Codex.

DeepSeek has published some really good papers. Lately they're pushing really hard for dramatically cheaper serving costs.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by Robdel12 » Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 9:58 PM UTC

https://www.anthropic.com/news/donation-public-first-action

Probably because anthropic is pouring $40 million dollars into a political pact to regulate models. And they have not been quiet about wanting to ban/regulate OSS models either.

I have no idea why HN still treats them like ~their~ they are the ethical good guy.

Edit: I can’t English. At least we know this came from my dumb swishy brain