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Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by seydor »

fragmede wrote: post #51
Analemma_ wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody but the wealthy shops for airline tickets with price as their only criterion. Airlines are rational agents who operate in a famously competitive and low-margin business, so they respond to this demand-- indeed, they don't have any choice. I have a lot of complaints about products and services that I can chalk up to various market failures or sinister actors, but poor airline experience is entirely on us, th…

The safety, even on the budget airlines is amazing. You wonder though, if they sold seats for $50, to get to the other side of the world, but you had a 10% chance of dying, how many people would take it.

people pay a lot more for private jets which are comparatively a lot more dangerous

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by yunwal »

FireBeyond wrote: post #72
dingaling wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Premium Economy is so much more expensive than steerage class that it's not a realistic 'option' for the majority of potential passengers. > " OK well you made your choice...." The only choice for most people is "fly cheap" or "don't go".

Flying LAX to SYD and return in Delta Premium Select, at least 30 of the 40 seats wer empty, despite economy being full. I was curious about this, and learned that Delta had made a decision to largely stop bumping passengers up in many cases because they felt that they were passengers who would have paid for PS, but it had gotten to the point of passengers taking their chances ("I'll buy a Comfort Plus ticket, that u…

The flip side is that those upgrades were a cheap way for delta to buy loyalty. I know a lot of people who flew many times a year on delta only and now look for other airlines.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by laurencerowe »

lbriner wrote: post #7
baaron wrote: post #4

Main points: - "seats measure up to 18-inches wide in economy, the same standard configuration found on Airbus widebody aircraft" - "To minimise cabin pressure effects on the body, the cabin maintains a 6,000-feet average altitude pressure, roughly equivalent to that of a mountain ski town. This is the same cabin pressure as the modern A350 widebody, and it helps to reduce physical fatigue, headaches and jet lag." -…

I've always wondered why airlines are so bad at managing jet lag for passengers. On a long-haul with Virgin Airways from SFO to LHR, instead of telling people to sleep early in the flight and waking them up for food before arriving at Heathrow at 12pm local time. They kept everyone up for hours with food and then let them sleep for about 2 hours before waking people up for arrival at 12pm. Weird. My general approach…

I just took this flight and that was not my experience. Food was served in the first 2 hours and the last 2 hours of the 10 hour flight leaving 6 hours of dark for sleep. Unfortunately my toddler did not want to sleep beyond his late nap so I was up for the entirety of it.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by seydor »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #62
cpgxiii wrote: post #26

Not covered: the inevitable even-smaller lavatory to further insult the dignity of the flying public. At this point, the designers of narrow-body interiors should be actively shamed for how hostile they have made lavatory designs. In a world in which every major flying population is aging and more overweight, yet every generation of airplane lavatories is even narrower and less accessible for everyone.

Lavatories are seen as a waste of space because they cannot seat passengers in it. A regulation is required when the incentives are misaligned with the reality.

What if we could seat a few people in there. They d just have to stand up while it s being used.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by SoftTalker »

datakan wrote: post #37
iSnow wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Automate the pilot out. That's a complete non-starter for now and the next decades. Fully automated operation for 1-dimensional transport (trains) is a solved issue, for 2D, not so much and most certainly not for 3D. Even though modern planes are very reliable, too many things can go wrong during flight to leave it to a machine - and for what? Just for bragging rights?

There are whole fleets of unmanned drones being flown by the military today

"unmanned" being the operative word.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by yongjik »

cwmma wrote: post #32

Is there a term for a product which is really only really for a minority of it's users? Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as "fine I guess we'll throw the rest of you in the back" Mobile games seem the apotheosis of this as a lot of games are really about finding whales and any enjoym…

> Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as ...

You got it backwards. If economy passengers preferred better services to cheaper fare, they would have chosen airlines with better services, and airlines would have to adapt accordingly, offering better and more expensive services.

They can't, because when it comes to their wallets, passengers don't actually prefer that, whatever they say online.

Business/first class passengers are a minority group who say "Fuck it, I have money, I want to be treated like I have money." So of course airlines offer them better service - at a much higher price.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by tuna74 »

rconti wrote: post #21

My dislike for single aisle aircraft isn't about cabin pressure or the "impression of a wider open space". It's about the fact that it is ACTUALLY cramped, and the _one_ aisle will be blocked for most of the flight. In a typical single aisle airplane, sitting in coach, you're expected to use the restroom "in your cabin" which is at the rear. If you're sitting anywhere _except_ the rear, your access to the restroom wi…

"I'm someone who would happily pay up for a lie-flat more frequently if it was priced at 2-3x a regular ticket rather than 5x+. "

If you look at pictures it seems like the lie-flat seats take up roughly 6x the space of what the economy seats take up.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by shellfishgene »

cwmma wrote: post #32

Is there a term for a product which is really only really for a minority of it's users? Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as "fine I guess we'll throw the rest of you in the back" Mobile games seem the apotheosis of this as a lot of games are really about finding whales and any enjoym…

Even in these marketing shots they could not make those thin and straight seats look anything but terribly uncomfortable.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by tuna74 »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #87
alistairSH wrote: post #31

We flew from IAD to DUB on Aer Lingus a month ago. Outbound was an A321neo LR/XLR and it was not bad at all. Legroom was fine (for me at 5'7"), big overhead bins should be required these days, and the entertainment setup was passable. The only complaint was flaky seat-back trays that required a real SLAM to latch. The damn things were constantly dropping down, getting slammed back not quite hard enough, and falling a…

All these 2-4-2 are 20 year old aircrafts - seats are not slim. so less legroom. Airlines don't retrofit.

Delta has 2-4-2 on their new A330Neos: https://www.delta.com/eu/en/aircraft/airbus/a330-900
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