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Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by tedd4u »

nexus7556 wrote: post #23
rconti wrote: post #21

My dislike for single aisle aircraft isn't about cabin pressure or the "impression of a wider open space". It's about the fact that it is ACTUALLY cramped, and the _one_ aisle will be blocked for most of the flight. In a typical single aisle airplane, sitting in coach, you're expected to use the restroom "in your cabin" which is at the rear. If you're sitting anywhere _except_ the rear, your access to the restroom wi…

The new, larger narrowbodies are adding a lav at the front of economy which helps with this. https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/company/aircraft/boeing-737...

True, but it's not all roses. If you like to sit at the front of economy to exit as fast as possible when arriving, you will be sitting next to a heavily-used lav which is not enjoyable. You have to sit 4-6 rows back from the lav to avoid the annoyance.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by advisedwang »

lbriner wrote: post #7
baaron wrote: post #4

Main points: - "seats measure up to 18-inches wide in economy, the same standard configuration found on Airbus widebody aircraft" - "To minimise cabin pressure effects on the body, the cabin maintains a 6,000-feet average altitude pressure, roughly equivalent to that of a mountain ski town. This is the same cabin pressure as the modern A350 widebody, and it helps to reduce physical fatigue, headaches and jet lag." -…

I've always wondered why airlines are so bad at managing jet lag for passengers. On a long-haul with Virgin Airways from SFO to LHR, instead of telling people to sleep early in the flight and waking them up for food before arriving at Heathrow at 12pm local time. They kept everyone up for hours with food and then let them sleep for about 2 hours before waking people up for arrival at 12pm. Weird. My general approach…

Generally because they prioritize ease of operations over helping customers overcome jetlag. In this particular situation I'd guess the ease of operation comes from:

* full customers are easier to deal with than hungry customers

* Doing meal service early avoids the risk that weather turns rough, making a late meal service hard/impossible.

* Crews are fresher earlier in the flight, and so are do a better job and prefer doing meals early.

* Waking customers up is extra work for crews, and may not be wanted by passengers.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by Analemma_ »

datakan wrote: post #34
cwmma wrote: post #32

Is there a term for a product which is really only really for a minority of it's users? Air travel seems like this as most airlines and manufacturers seem to bend over backwards for their wealthy and high margin passengers and basically treat economy class as "fine I guess we'll throw the rest of you in the back" Mobile games seem the apotheosis of this as a lot of games are really about finding whales and any enjoym…

Airlines treat people like cattle then wonder why people behave like animals. I just did a cross country trip, about 4 hours per hop. I was so sore after that I've basically sworn off traveling that way ever again. You can tell they keep removing space to fit more bodies in at all costs because they don't even try to line up seats with windows anymore. Multiple seats had windows in places that made them basically use…

Everybody but the wealthy shops for airline tickets with price as their only criterion. Airlines are rational agents who operate in a famously competitive and low-margin business, so they respond to this demand-- indeed, they don't have any choice.

I have a lot of complaints about products and services that I can chalk up to various market failures or sinister actors, but poor airline experience is entirely on us, the consumer. Our revealed preference is for the lowest possible ticket price all else be damned.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by OxO4 »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #16
neonstatic wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since we are voicing seat related complaints, I want seats that don't recline. I don't want that asshole in front of me ruining my flight again.

I don't get this attitude. The seats are meant to recline, as soon as takeoff is finished I recline. If you want more space, you should too.

If you are tall, then no amount of reclining is going to give you more space. The knees are too far forward to stretch your legs, _especially_ when the person in front of you reclines.

In other words, you are inconsiderate.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by advisedwang »

datakan wrote: post #37
iSnow wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Automate the pilot out. That's a complete non-starter for now and the next decades. Fully automated operation for 1-dimensional transport (trains) is a solved issue, for 2D, not so much and most certainly not for 3D. Even though modern planes are very reliable, too many things can go wrong during flight to leave it to a machine - and for what? Just for bragging rights?

There are whole fleets of unmanned drones being flown by the military today

Most of them still have remote operators.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by gruez »

lbriner wrote: post #7
baaron wrote: post #4

Main points: - "seats measure up to 18-inches wide in economy, the same standard configuration found on Airbus widebody aircraft" - "To minimise cabin pressure effects on the body, the cabin maintains a 6,000-feet average altitude pressure, roughly equivalent to that of a mountain ski town. This is the same cabin pressure as the modern A350 widebody, and it helps to reduce physical fatigue, headaches and jet lag." -…

I've always wondered why airlines are so bad at managing jet lag for passengers. On a long-haul with Virgin Airways from SFO to LHR, instead of telling people to sleep early in the flight and waking them up for food before arriving at Heathrow at 12pm local time. They kept everyone up for hours with food and then let them sleep for about 2 hours before waking people up for arrival at 12pm. Weird. My general approach…

>They kept everyone up for hours with food and then let them sleep for about 2 hours before waking people up for arrival at 12pm.

Weird, must be airline specific? All the intercontinental flights I've taken recently follows a "take-off -> food -> dark -> food -> landing" schedule, regardless of what time it is outside.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by [deleted] »

datakan wrote: post #37
iSnow wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Automate the pilot out. That's a complete non-starter for now and the next decades. Fully automated operation for 1-dimensional transport (trains) is a solved issue, for 2D, not so much and most certainly not for 3D. Even though modern planes are very reliable, too many things can go wrong during flight to leave it to a machine - and for what? Just for bragging rights?

There are whole fleets of unmanned drones being flown by the military today

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Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by OxO4 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #38
FergusArgyll wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this attitude. The seats are meant to recline, as soon as takeoff is finished I recline. If you want more space, you should too.

Yeah, I'm six foot, always in the most basic economy, and never once has the person in front reclining impacted me. It feels like the same phenomenon when people bitched and moaned about having to take even the slightest COVID precautions.

There are people that are taller than six foot and it also depends heavily on whether you have long legs or a long torso.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by gib444 »

wat10000 wrote: post #40
gib444 wrote: post #28

Remember that airlines almost always opt for the more cramped and cheaper variants of interiors, asking "ok but how do we fit even more cattle in here?"

But also remember that airline customers also opt for the more cramped and cheaper variants.

But also remember they do that because their employer has opted to pay them as little as possible

How far do you want to take this? :)

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