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The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by sublinear »

jasode wrote: post #62
skywal_l wrote: post #40

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You forgot an important quote: “We want the iTunes Music Store to have every piece of music ever recorded. Even if it’s discontinued or not selling much, we want it all.” It seems pretty unambiguous to me.

>It seems pretty unambiguous to me. It's ambiguous and a contradiction because I think it's just an example of Steve Jobs saying one thing but his actual actions say something else. In his "full persuasion mode" (as Derek puts it), he says he "wants all their music" to make the indies feel good ... but forcing them do the physical CD ripping and entering metadata is really the final authority on what he really wanted…

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

I can't think of anything dumber than all the tedious work forced upon people by "the telephone game" and a lack of oversight. That's intrinsic to any office.

They had a capability and then immediately demanded it be used as soon as possible. No deeper thinking is required.

There was very little incentive to force the moves you're claiming Apple intended to. You've got it backwards. This is exactly how Jobs' "reality distortion field" actually worked. People would overthink every time he was wrong or flat out didn't give a shit. His overrated status compelled people to make things so, and you're falling for it like they did.

> Sony and all the previous big labels just did digital uploads of their catalog instead of ripping CDs like cavemen. For the 2nd-phase rollout of iTunes Store in October 2003 with 400,000 songs, Apple could have had CD Baby and other small indies use the same effortless transfer process as the Big Labels but for whatever reason, Steve Jobs treated them differently.

Did you ever consider that it was "effortless" for the big labels because they invented the formats iTunes used along with all the guidelines for how uploads should work? Why wouldn't iTunes take their lead instead of the other way around? The goal is to get this shit out the door now and make money. The big label archives already had things in the right formats and properly audited to be consistent, or they had the means for a quicker turnaround if they didn't. Of course it would be massively easier for everyone except the indie labels.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by m463 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #64
ricardobayes wrote: post #59

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I read he leased a fresh car every 90 days to keep driving on dealer tags.

hyperbole. a few years earlier, the story was every 6 months since that was the california dmv limit to get plates. i was there. his mercedes sl often just had the mercedes barcode that sits under where plates would be mounted, with no plates. rationale unknown, but perhaps to make a stubborn point?

I thought it was discovered that was the reason.

I remember back then cars just purchased had NO tags until they came in the mail.

I think you had to have registration information taped to the front windshield with the VIN facing outward and usually the person's name folded inside so it couldn't be read.

Paper tags were only introduced in 2019.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by m463 »

angoragoats wrote: post #70
ufocia wrote: post #33

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Sad comment really. I could make a counterargument that it could've gone to an alcoholic who wasted his liver, which would be equally uncalled for.

What OP might be (crudely) referring to is that Jobs had a rare (~1% of cases IIRC) curable form of pancreatic cancer, and ignored his doctors' advice to have it treated and removed in favor of some kind of special diet. By the time he accepted actual medical treatment, the cancer had spread and it was too late.

Maybe the press his story got might convince other people with the same diagnosis to have it treated in a timely fashion.

I don't know that I can blame him though. Having been involved in friends and family members with medical problems, there are SO many people that muddle through understanding, and then deciding what to do. Conflicting advice will come from all directions.

It seems only doctors, usually with a lifetime of experience, have medical directives ready and they are usually DNR type decisions.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by shye »

jasode wrote: post #15

>A month later, Steve Jobs did a special worldwide simulcast keynote speech about iTunes. People had been criticizing iTunes for having less music than the competition. They had 400,000 songs while Rhapsody and Napster had over 2 million songs. (Over 500,000 of those were from CD Baby.) >Four minutes in, he said something that made my pounding heart sink to my burning stomach: >“This number could have easily been muc…

You're conflating labels and distributors: for the majors, they are often different department of the same corporations, but they're not the same thing.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by gosub100 »

ufocia wrote: post #33
gosub100 wrote: post #26

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And used his wealth to obtain and subsequently waste a liver that could have saved an actual important person with a family.

Sad comment really. I could make a counterargument that it could've gone to an alcoholic who wasted his liver, which would be equally uncalled for.

Alcoholism is a recognized disease. Narcissism and self aggrandizing is not.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by Supermancho »

angoragoats wrote: post #78
nailer wrote: post #72

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The person is being incredibly rude: - pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick - pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man - including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovere…

OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.

Some people just want to frame every statement as an argument, which is not a compelling approach to a discussion. This understanding cannot be accepted by many people, because they are always considered more informed or competent by their peers. It's rarely worth engaging in replies to people on forums for this reason. It's especially true of randoms who demand their own personal standards of respect.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

Supermancho wrote: post #86
angoragoats wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.

Some people just want to frame every statement as an argument, which is not a compelling approach to a discussion. This understanding cannot be accepted by many people, because they are always considered more informed or competent by their peers. It's rarely worth engaging in replies to people on forums for this reason. It's especially true of randoms who demand their own personal standards of respect.

> It's especially true of randoms who demand their own personal standards of respect.

Avoiding strawmen and nitpicks, and the need to provide supporting arguments in a discussion are fairly widely recognised.

It seems odd you would think that they are unique to the person that is disagreeing with you.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by Supermancho »

kmeisthax wrote: post #61
nailer wrote: post #49

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[flagged]

If you read news outside of what you personally agreed with, you would know that Musk is a lot worse than just "supporting a candidate people like". That's the thing that got all the low-information California liberals who weren't paying attention to stand up and listen, but Musk has been a problem for a lot longer. My personal moment of disillusionment was when a bunch of kids got trapped in a cave in Thailand in 20…

This discussion about Musk's DOGE comes up time and time again, trying to rationalize his mandate of destroying regulations to eliminate waste. This was not the stated goal, nor was it the immediately result. The post-hoc rationalization is now "DOGE accidentally caught some waste, this was the point" - which is laughable, if it wasn't so sad that the realtime history of what was done wasn't so public.

The people who convince themselves that Musk was doing this as a favor or out of some sense of justice is delusional. From court filings, to reporting at the time, it's clear it was a smash and grab as a favor from Trump, conveniently relieving Musk of pesky regulation while trumpeting DEI.

https://americanoversight.org/investigation/everything-we-kn...

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by angoragoats »

nailer wrote: post #80
angoragoats wrote: post #78

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OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.

If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class. Hacker news indeed needs a block button.

> If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude.

100% disagree, and that’s not what happened here anyway.

> Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class.

HN is not a formal debate, and even if it were, I’m not sure that what the other poster said is a strawman. My unsolicited advice would be to dial back your expectations of the level of discourse you’ll get from others on this site (I had to do the same, a while back!)

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