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The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by AnthonBerg »

jb1991 wrote: post #21
SilverBirch wrote: post #10

Always worth remembering that as well as being an innovator, Steve Jobs was often a cruel and petty man.

Is this not a common trait among most of the high-level tech CEOs? We hear of lack of humanity across much of the tech industry when you get up to that level. All the stuff that is said about Musk, and all the others.

"In animals with hierarchical societies, aggressive behavior is thought to help individuals gain and maintain higher social status. It has been shown that aggressive behavior, especially the experience of winning, has rewarding properties in animals and repeated aggressive experience may lead to compulsive, pathological aggression that is highly reinforcing."

From the 2017, uh, molecular neuroimmunosociobiology survey paper Aggression, Social Stress, and the Immune System in Humans and Animal Models by Takahashi, Flanigan, McEwen & Russo – https://doi.org/10.3389/fnbeh.2018.00056

(These are serious, credentialed people. The tl;dr is that "losing" is proinflammatory and subjugating others is antiinflammatory. In the brain. Which is behavior-modifying.)

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

angoragoats wrote: post #69
nailer wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You missed a word there. > The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk I missed no words, the things being negative are implied by the parent comment "All the stuff that is said about Musk, and all the others." If this degree of pettiness is how you start your comment I'm not looking forwaerd to the rest, but here goes. > > Compared to making EVs mainstream, > he contributed So you agree, but wanted to make another…

> you're rude a/nd disrespectful so I don't want to spent more time interacting with you unless you apologize. What? The person you're replying to didn't use any harsh language or insult you in any way. How thin is your skin?

The person is being incredibly rude:

- pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick

- pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man

- including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovered

- equating helping disabled people interact with the world to helping a single disabled person with a task.

...as the comment you're responding to points out.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by FireBeyond »

ufocia wrote: post #33
gosub100 wrote: post #26

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And used his wealth to obtain and subsequently waste a liver that could have saved an actual important person with a family.

Sad comment really. I could make a counterargument that it could've gone to an alcoholic who wasted his liver, which would be equally uncalled for.

> I could make a counterargument that it could've gone to an alcoholic who wasted his liver

If you're still an alcoholic, you're not getting a new liver. There is required sobriety and testing first. You may have had issues that caused you to get there, but you will be sober before you get the liver.

Not the same thing. Jobs example (and I don't inherently agree with the GP, just saying) would be more like being able to drink up to the point of your transplant and then keep on going like you've just had a pit stop.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by FireBeyond »

sublinear wrote: post #23
SilverBirch wrote: post #17

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I work in the corporate world, I have detailed confidential discussions about technical details of upcoming products and contract details. The first thing we do in those situations is we all sign NDAs. The idea that you'd do a presentation to a hundred people and expect that information to stay confidential without specifically informing them is just absurd. Which is part of the reason Jobs just screwed him around ra…

Pricing details in contracts are trade secrets. You don't even need an NDA to sue someone for leaking that. They're lucky Apple found a quick remediation. They delayed signing the contract because they had to wait and see if any damage was caused. Next steps would have been renegotiating or lawsuit.

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #67
Supermancho wrote: post #51

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> The main think I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children. You missed a word there. `The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.` > Compared to making EVs mainstream, He didn't do that, although he contributed. I can credit him with ra…

> You missed a word there. > The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk I missed no words, the things being negative are implied by the parent comment "All the stuff that is said about Musk, and all the others." If this degree of pettiness is how you start your comment I'm not looking forwaerd to the rest, but here goes. > > Compared to making EVs mainstream, > he contributed So you agree, but wanted to make another…

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

sulam wrote: post #52
nailer wrote: post #50

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Dario's attemoting to use legislative capture to stop open source models as we speak.

I mean, they gave money to a PAC that is trying to get legislation to control all models. He’s fine with legislation affecting Anthropic as far as I can tell, as long as it’s evenly applied. Open weight models built outside the US are going to be pretty hard to control, though.

I believe hampering US use of models (see the recent issue with the company having to use Kimi to respond to a security incident) is not decent.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #72
angoragoats wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're rude a/nd disrespectful so I don't want to spent more time interacting with you unless you apologize. What? The person you're replying to didn't use any harsh language or insult you in any way. How thin is your skin?

The person is being incredibly rude: - pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick - pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man - including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovere…

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by angoragoats »

nailer wrote: post #72
angoragoats wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're rude a/nd disrespectful so I don't want to spent more time interacting with you unless you apologize. What? The person you're replying to didn't use any harsh language or insult you in any way. How thin is your skin?

The person is being incredibly rude: - pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick - pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man - including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovere…

OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by [deleted] »

lazide wrote: post #37
sublinear wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pricing details in contracts are trade secrets. You don't even need an NDA to sue someone for leaking that. They're lucky Apple found a quick remediation. They delayed signing the contract because they had to wait and see if any damage was caused. Next steps would have been renegotiating or lawsuit.

lol, if you don’t put an NDA (or otherwise make it clear it’s a trade secret and try to protect it), you lose the protection the moment you start sending that out. Including in contracts.

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by nailer »

angoragoats wrote: post #78
nailer wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person is being incredibly rude: - pointing out that I didn't explicitly say 'negative things' rather than 'things' is a bizarre and immature nitpick - pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man - including zero supporting arguments for their assertion that fraud and abuse wasn't discovere…

OK. I wouldn't call this rude, much less "incredibly rude," perhaps the word I'd use is "blunt." But whatever. I continue to wish there was a "block this user" feature on this site.

If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. Straw man arguments are incredibly disrespectful, and most people would do better if they had participated in a high school debating class.

Hacker news indeed needs a block button.

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