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The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by Supermancho »

nailer wrote: post #49
jb1991 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this not a common trait among most of the high-level tech CEOs? We hear of lack of humanity across much of the tech industry when you get up to that level. All the stuff that is said about Musk, and all the others.

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> The main think I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.

You missed a word there.

`The main NEGATIVE things I hear about Musk is that he supported a candidate people didn't like and has a lot of different mothers for his children.`

> Compared to making EVs mainstream,

He didn't do that, although he contributed. I can credit him with raising the consumer demand for in-vehicle assistance.

> helping paralyzed people interact with the world,

I also helped someone carry their groceries yesterday. That's a personality trait. The results of one of his many business efforts is not a personal act...although he likes to take credit.

> reducing traffic in LV,

That was a selling point for funding a different boring technology (that wasn't realized) and hopefully a better transportation system (which also wasn't realized) for a convenience tunnel. SR-99 is a commuter highway tunnel, with double the traffic, and the Seattle Tunnel Partners is not considered a magnate for the same reason Elon's tunnel isn't. It's just boring (literally and figuratively).

> cutting government fraud

That's not what happened.

You should expand your bubble.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by sulam »

nailer wrote: post #50
sulam wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don’t love Google (it’s hard to love) I actually think Sundar isn’t an asshole fwiw. Also I’m not sure if you’d put Dario in big tech circles but he seems half decent. A little too AGI pilled perhaps but definitely standing up for what he believes in. The bar is pretty low among that population, though.

Dario's attemoting to use legislative capture to stop open source models as we speak.

I mean, they gave money to a PAC that is trying to get legislation to control all models. He’s fine with legislation affecting Anthropic as far as I can tell, as long as it’s evenly applied. Open weight models built outside the US are going to be pretty hard to control, though.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by bookofjoe »

pjmlp wrote: post #31
SilverBirch wrote: post #10

Always worth remembering that as well as being an innovator, Steve Jobs was often a cruel and petty man.

The biography regarding how NeXT came to be is quite relevant in how it all went, and how lucky it was that Apple ended up going with NeXT instead of Be. "Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing"

Also interesting is Ken Kocienda's 2019 memoir:

"Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs"

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ken+kocienda&i=stripbooks&crid=37...

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by ghusto »

jasode wrote: post #15

>A month later, Steve Jobs did a special worldwide simulcast keynote speech about iTunes. People had been criticizing iTunes for having less music than the competition. They had 400,000 songs while Rhapsody and Napster had over 2 million songs. (Over 500,000 of those were from CD Baby.) >Four minutes in, he said something that made my pounding heart sink to my burning stomach: >“This number could have easily been muc…

That's a lot of unpaid mental gymnastics you're doing there to excuse Apple of their trademark shitty behaviour, and it _still_ doesn't negate the very black and white statement: “We want the iTunes Music Store to have every piece of music ever recorded. Even if it’s discontinued or not selling much, we want it all.”

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by ghusto »

sublinear wrote: post #12
SilverBirch wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean for the sake of Apple? This didn't benefit Apple. He screwed with this guy for months because of a mistaken idea that the guy should have somehow known Apple's attitude towards secrecy without being told, and after months of messing him about sent him back the signed contract the second he had given up. There was no benefit to Apple here. In fact he harmed Apple by limiting their music collection in…

> should have somehow known Apple's attitude towards secrecy I have to assume you and the author (at that time) aren't familiar enough with the corporate world to realize all discussions containing privileged information (contract details that would never get a press release) are confidential by default. Of course Apple would never think they'd have to explain this. It's a reasonable expectation for them to have.

I have to assume you aren't familar with the corporate world in the slightest. This is absolutely not how it works.

Anything that is supposed to be confidential has a signature. This is because without it, the person "leaking" information can always claim ignorance.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by ghusto »

sublinear wrote: post #23
SilverBirch wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the corporate world, I have detailed confidential discussions about technical details of upcoming products and contract details. The first thing we do in those situations is we all sign NDAs. The idea that you'd do a presentation to a hundred people and expect that information to stay confidential without specifically informing them is just absurd. Which is part of the reason Jobs just screwed him around ra…

Pricing details in contracts are trade secrets. You don't even need an NDA to sue someone for leaking that. They're lucky Apple found a quick remediation. They delayed signing the contract because they had to wait and see if any damage was caused. Next steps would have been renegotiating or lawsuit.

For anybody else reading, please disregard. Nothing is expected to be kept secret without a signature.

Re: The day Steve Jobs dissed me in a keynote (2010)

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Post by ghusto »

vidarh wrote: post #8
jdw64 wrote: post #3

After reading this story, I do think Apple is bad, but from a business perspective, it makes sense. (By 'business perspective,' I mean it's immoral but profitable.) Because if CD Baby was acting as a middleman and a gateway for indie music distribution, Apple's move to shut it out was about preventing power from becoming decentralized and keeping control concentrated in Apple's hands to position iTunes as a premium p…

> Sometimes I wonder why people don't get as angry at Apple as they do at Microsoft. Apple was the underdog at a point where Microsoft got its bad image by virtue of it's monopolistic practice. I can't help but think that a lot of it is a combination of inertia and MS pissing off a sufficient subset of geeks at a point where we made up a much larger proportion of the online discourse and so could set the tone. And fo…

I think this is essentially it. Couple with the thought that there's nowhere else to turn, Apple laptops and phones are the best choice in a bucket of bad choices.

I could list endlessly the issue with iPhones and Macbooks, but they're _just_ more convenient enough to have to use them over alternatives. Lots of little examples like the way that Airpods work when jumping from the same video call on my phone to my Mac for example, add up to be useful enough to put up with just how shitty iPhones are.

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