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Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by fragmede »

Analemma_ wrote: post #43
datakan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airlines treat people like cattle then wonder why people behave like animals. I just did a cross country trip, about 4 hours per hop. I was so sore after that I've basically sworn off traveling that way ever again. You can tell they keep removing space to fit more bodies in at all costs because they don't even try to line up seats with windows anymore. Multiple seats had windows in places that made them basically use…

Everybody but the wealthy shops for airline tickets with price as their only criterion. Airlines are rational agents who operate in a famously competitive and low-margin business, so they respond to this demand-- indeed, they don't have any choice. I have a lot of complaints about products and services that I can chalk up to various market failures or sinister actors, but poor airline experience is entirely on us, th…

The safety, even on the budget airlines is amazing. You wonder though, if they sold seats for $50, to get to the other side of the world, but you had a 10% chance of dying, how many people would take it.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by fragmede »

gib444 wrote: post #50
wat10000 wrote: post #40

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But also remember that airline customers also opt for the more cramped and cheaper variants.

But also remember they do that because their employer has opted to pay them as little as possible How far do you want to take this? :)

Well, we could always try communism just one more time.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by dingaling »

wat10000 wrote: post #36
datakan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airlines treat people like cattle then wonder why people behave like animals. I just did a cross country trip, about 4 hours per hop. I was so sore after that I've basically sworn off traveling that way ever again. You can tell they keep removing space to fit more bodies in at all costs because they don't even try to line up seats with windows anymore. Multiple seats had windows in places that made them basically use…

It's worth remembering that the airline market is very competitive and this happens because it matches consumer preferences. Yes, nobody wants to be crammed into a tiny seat. But given the choice between a large seat or a tiny seat that costs $5 less, people reliably choose to save $5. The only reason the experience is so miserable is because the flying public will accept nearly anything to save a little money. It's…

Premium Economy is so much more expensive than steerage class that it's not a realistic 'option' for the majority of potential passengers.

> " OK well you made your choice...."

The only choice for most people is "fly cheap" or "don't go".

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by wat10000 »

dingaling wrote: post #53
wat10000 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth remembering that the airline market is very competitive and this happens because it matches consumer preferences. Yes, nobody wants to be crammed into a tiny seat. But given the choice between a large seat or a tiny seat that costs $5 less, people reliably choose to save $5. The only reason the experience is so miserable is because the flying public will accept nearly anything to save a little money. It's…

Premium Economy is so much more expensive than steerage class that it's not a realistic 'option' for the majority of potential passengers. > " OK well you made your choice...." The only choice for most people is "fly cheap" or "don't go".

Then be grateful that travel is cheap enough that you can go, even if it's uncomfortable.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by inigyou »

tedd4u wrote: post #41
nexus7556 wrote: post #23

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The new, larger narrowbodies are adding a lav at the front of economy which helps with this. https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/company/aircraft/boeing-737...

True, but it's not all roses. If you like to sit at the front of economy to exit as fast as possible when arriving, you will be sitting next to a heavily-used lav which is not enjoyable. You have to sit 4-6 rows back from the lav to avoid the annoyance.

There will always be good seats and bad seats. They can't all be good seats.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by inigyou »

Analemma_ wrote: post #43
datakan wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airlines treat people like cattle then wonder why people behave like animals. I just did a cross country trip, about 4 hours per hop. I was so sore after that I've basically sworn off traveling that way ever again. You can tell they keep removing space to fit more bodies in at all costs because they don't even try to line up seats with windows anymore. Multiple seats had windows in places that made them basically use…

Everybody but the wealthy shops for airline tickets with price as their only criterion. Airlines are rational agents who operate in a famously competitive and low-margin business, so they respond to this demand-- indeed, they don't have any choice. I have a lot of complaints about products and services that I can chalk up to various market failures or sinister actors, but poor airline experience is entirely on us, th…

This is called a race to the bottom.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by addaon »

rconti wrote: post #22
krunck wrote: post #5

How about seats that are adjustable to fit small people. I'm sick of sitting in seats with concave lumbar regions. It tears up my back. I know, I know, the seats need to accommodate large, more spherical people. Cant there be an adjustable lumbar support though?

My wife's short so she's actually quite uncomfortable in a business class seat unless it's reclined-- seat bottom length is an issue for her, sometimes even in economy. On the flipside, I'm of pretty average height, but the flat seat cushions mean I always feel like I'm sitting awkwardly on my tailbone. I wonder why they couldn't just be more like a car seat, with some thigh support. I'm not sure I've ever been in a…

> I wonder why they couldn't just be more like a car seat, with some thigh support. I'm not sure I've ever been in a car seat less comfortable than the _best_ economy airline seat.

Car seats are a lot heavier than airplane seats.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by bluGill »

wat10000 wrote: post #40
gib444 wrote: post #28

Remember that airlines almost always opt for the more cramped and cheaper variants of interiors, asking "ok but how do we fit even more cattle in here?"

But also remember that airline customers also opt for the more cramped and cheaper variants.

I long ago swore to pay for economy plus. It isn't much more and the space is nice. Enough people do that they still offer the this service

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by foobarian »

OxO4 wrote: post #44
FergusArgyll wrote: post #16

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I don't get this attitude. The seats are meant to recline, as soon as takeoff is finished I recline. If you want more space, you should too.

If you are tall, then no amount of reclining is going to give you more space. The knees are too far forward to stretch your legs, _especially_ when the person in front of you reclines. In other words, you are inconsiderate.

I'm unusually tall and flying has always been unpleasant no matter what. I can actually deal with the reclining because it's actually physically impossible for the person ahead of me to recline since my knees are in the way. What really gets me is the fact that the seat back only comes up to my neck and I can't sleep because my head just flops around. I've been meaning to find some security-friendly contraption that could extend the back a little bit to immobilize me a bit better.

Re: Latest Airbus single aisle aircraft innovations

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

baaron wrote: post #4

Main points: - "seats measure up to 18-inches wide in economy, the same standard configuration found on Airbus widebody aircraft" - "To minimise cabin pressure effects on the body, the cabin maintains a 6,000-feet average altitude pressure, roughly equivalent to that of a mountain ski town. This is the same cabin pressure as the modern A350 widebody, and it helps to reduce physical fatigue, headaches and jet lag." -…

Will the speakers sound like a dollar store model or are we going to finally understand what the pilots are saying?
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