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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by throw0101d »

pegasus wrote: post #60
throwaway323929 wrote: post #43

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Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

> I think the least the labs […]

Perhaps worth not calling them "labs". Are they not (for-profit) companies?

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by swingandamiss »

pegasus wrote: post #60
throwaway323929 wrote: post #43

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Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

> It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens

There's nothing "open" about China. Google, meta, openai, etc all blocked. Go visit and see how it goes when you try to access your gmail or open facebook. Try to use chatgpt. Try to get citizenship and see how that goes. China blocks many western companies with their great firewall and force internal similar products. This is smart, China wants to prioritize their own.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by sigbottle »

ImprobableTruth wrote: post #81
throwaway323929 wrote: post #43

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This is some bizarre victim inversion. The providers of closed models are the ones who are trying to use regulation to stop their open model competition, not the other way around.

This is how it is with all of these guys, their only principle is "what's good for me", and will twist all narratives to fit it

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by jfrbfbreudh »

chasd00 wrote: post #66
pegasus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

well let's be clear, there's nothing open about an open-weight model. To me, "open these models up. " must mean provide all the data and supporting documentation required to reproduce the model. That would be "open". Postgres is open because you can download all the data and supporting documentation and reproduce the binary yourself. However, being able to only download a postgres binary would make it no longer open.…

Weights are the cake and source is the recipe. Except you aren’t going to spend millions working through the recipe to arrive at the same exact cake anyway, so why do you care?

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by smallmancontrov »

swingandamiss wrote: post #92
pegasus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

> It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens There's nothing "open" about China. Google, meta, openai, etc all blocked. Go visit and see how it goes when you try to access your gmail or open facebook. Try to use chatgpt. Try to get citizenship and see how that goes. China blocks many western companies with their great firewall and force internal similar products. This is smart, China wants to pr…

Your examples are the typical case, which is why OpenAI being closed and Kimi/DeepSeek/Qwen being open is topsy-turvy.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by klik99 »

swingandamiss wrote: post #92
pegasus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

> It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens There's nothing "open" about China. Google, meta, openai, etc all blocked. Go visit and see how it goes when you try to access your gmail or open facebook. Try to use chatgpt. Try to get citizenship and see how that goes. China blocks many western companies with their great firewall and force internal similar products. This is smart, China wants to pr…

He means specifically open vs closed AI model development, and how that’s topsy-turvy for the reasons you mention.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by astro1234 »

throw0101d wrote: post #91
pegasus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

> I think the least the labs […] Perhaps worth not calling them "labs". Are they not (for-profit) companies?

Of course but I think labs is a good term. Like a lot of terms like this it comes from history. The people working on AI at these places come predominantly from academia and predominantly do research. Of course now these companies are far more than just a “lab” and I can imagine their headcount may be more non-research folks at this point but most of the results are indeed coming from the “lab”-y areas

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by dofm »

throwaway323929 wrote: post #43

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I don't think that is what is happening.

Instead a bunch of tech companies are gathering to try to stop OpenAI and Anthropic fear-bouncing the White House and the Republican Congress into giving them regulatory capture and repeating the mistakes they are making around RISC-V.

Those mistakes won't just entrench two companies, they will entrench the bigger-better-faster-more model (closed companies making ever bigger cloud-bound models) when it is abundantly clear that enormous progress can still be made on smaller, even desktop-bound models (where, due to distribution, open weights are essentially inevitable).

Regulatory capture that stops open weights work will also have impacts on local and on-device AI work, as well as on academic research.

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