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JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by questionableans »

splix wrote: post #34
ktm5j wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Apple isn't making amd64 systems anymore, so software support will naturally start to waver.

What I wanted to say that I don't like exactly that. The hardware is fine, but software is not.

I feel like Apple got a lot of devs who would otherwise be Linux users on board circa 2005 due to solid-feeling laptop hardware with drivers and power management that just worked. That pattern became self-propagating as startups scaled up, bought a lot of Macs and hired Mac IT people.

But Linux has gotten better in that time period, too. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as refined out of the box. But Linux is ahead in the ability to do whatever you want and keep using your old hardware.

For people who care about how computers work, I think Linux is a more stimulating environment than macOS to work in. Even though—or partly because—you may have to dig in a little deeper to get things working the ways you want.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by questionableans »

afavour wrote: post #37
splix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I can upgrade, that's not a problem. I'm just saying macOS works fine so far, almost all of the software works too. But I see increasing amount of announcements like this one suggesting that I'll have to replace hardware to get the latest versions. So I guess I will do that only to be able to use that software, not to get better performance.

> I'll have to replace hardware to get the latest versions Or switch software. Windows will run via Boot Camp and depending on your hardware Linux might work too.

Including Windows 11 on T2 Macs, even though there are places online that claim it doesn’t work. It’s much easier to set up Linux, though.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by LoganDark »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #17
splix wrote: post #16

I guess I'm the only one who is still on x64. I don't like I'm pushed to migrate only because the software wants that, otherwise the hardware works with no problem.

Can you run Linux?

Intel Macs can run practically anything. Mine had a triple-boot between macOS, Windows and Arch Linux, back when that kind of thing was possible.

Apple's really cut off gaming for good. My only hope is that someone ports FEX/Proton to macOS, or finds a way to get it running with proper hardware acceleration.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by bluedino »

kalleboo wrote: post #10
mark_l_watson wrote: post #8

That sounds reasonable, Intel Macs aren't much used anymore.

I'm curious if there are any decently representative use share stats out there for Mac Intel vs ARM. I tried finding some a while ago and found nothing really conclusive (mostly for niches like developer tools or games - what's the long tail look like?).

We haven't given out an Intel Mac at work (enterprise with 50k users, maybe 1/5th use Macs) in years....I think we might have a handful of people still using one, but it's gotta be 500:1

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by jraph »

charcircuit wrote: post #54
mikhael28 wrote: post #47

If you have Apple Intel hardware, I strongly strongly strongly recommend you migrate to Linux. It works amazingly on MacOS, except I guess the sound drivers aren't perfect. Too many security holes in old, unpatched software.

At this point it would be better to migrate to a new MacBook. There has been a lot performance and efficiency improvements with M1+.

Not if the hardware still works and still does the job.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by refulgentis »

ajkjk wrote: post #33
bananamogul wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ten minutes later, I'm still trying to figure out the role of "thus" in this headline.

I like it. Bring back thus as a normal word. Also thusly.

It’s fine to have it as a normal word, it might even be one! Hehe it is to me at least :)

However, I believe OP is right, it’s un…grammatical? -parasable? in the headline? There’s no…referent?

More plain spoken :) - there’s nothing indicating what lead to the thus. I.e. “it’s raining thus I brought my umbrella”, we’re missing the “It’s raining” part

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by bluedino »

Oh, how times have changed.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs announced at May's Worldwide Developer Conference in San Jose, Calif., Mac OS X will come with a full implementation of Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java 2, Standard Edition. It will be the only high-volume OS that does so

Oracle screwed themselves lately, the licensing push basically started IT departments with exterminating Java and anything related to it.

Re: JEP 541: Deprecate the macOS/x64 Port for Removal

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Post by fatbird »

ajkjk wrote: post #33
bananamogul wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ten minutes later, I'm still trying to figure out the role of "thus" in this headline.

I like it. Bring back thus as a normal word. Also thusly.

Also, having explained by example, finish with "quod erat demonstrandum"
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