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Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by segmondy »

gizmodo59 wrote: post #49
furyofantares wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very confused by this comment, I don't know who you're referring to.

None of the people signed this have ever produced a frontier model at a given date (Which is to say its neither Google/OAI/Ant). The ones that sign are meta, musk (who is in the shovel selling business as well), hugging face obviously and few others Note: Just pointing out the comment intent and nothing else

Google has produced Gemini Pro, Meta produced llama3-70B/llama3-405B and now has Muse, Musk has Grok. These are very capable models and to claim that they are not frontier is to stretch the meaning unless you want to say "#1 model" Gemini Pro at one point even if for a week, was #1 model.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by segmondy »

At the end of the day, these companies that signed this letter have more cash. What they should do is bring some money together, more money than the other side, donate it and buy their way. That's the 2026 way, no one has time for all this letter and protest. How much are they willing to put on the line?

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Post by fragmede »

chasd00 wrote: post #66
pegasus wrote: post #60

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Regardless of the motivations behind the paper, the fact is that they are right. It's a topsy-turvy world where America closes up and China opens, and I hope it gets corrected soon. And besides, it seems to me like the ethical choice. Given how these models are, in some very real sense, mechanical plagiators, built on the generosity of creators past and present, some of them now in danger of being replaced by the mac…

well let's be clear, there's nothing open about an open-weight model. To me, "open these models up. " must mean provide all the data and supporting documentation required to reproduce the model. That would be "open". Postgres is open because you can download all the data and supporting documentation and reproduce the binary yourself. However, being able to only download a postgres binary would make it no longer open.…

Here here! Open weights is the term because it's close to open source but everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot and saying the model is downloadable but you can't recreate it is too difficult for our feeble minds to understand. There are actually open source models out there though, with datasets and training code.

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Post by fcq »

Hopefully something good comes from this... But I certainly don't see the big players caving in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47929951>

The Chinese open models are way ahead, not by how capable they are compared to frontier models, but on how they project to the world and how they improve over time.

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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Post by dang »

From yesterday:

Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49023016 - July 2026 (841 comments)

Also related:

OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49020868 - July 2026 (330 comments)

China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48979269 - July 2026 (932 comments)

The gap between open weights LLMs and closed source LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48692058 - June 2026 (250 comments)

The unbearable cheapness of open weight models - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48668255 - June 2026 (186 comments)

Re: Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta warn against overregulating open-weight models

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gizmodo59 wrote: post #49
furyofantares wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very confused by this comment, I don't know who you're referring to.

None of the people signed this have ever produced a frontier model at a given date (Which is to say its neither Google/OAI/Ant). The ones that sign are meta, musk (who is in the shovel selling business as well), hugging face obviously and few others Note: Just pointing out the comment intent and nothing else

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