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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by veganmosfet »

vaylian wrote: post #154
veganmosfet wrote: post #87

Same. I moved to codeberg because of the non-commercial and "freedom" aspects. I enjoy vibe-coding tools for different applications, e.g. for prompt injection research. Now I will probably move back to Github. I accept this decision but I am quite disappointed by the ideology and black & white view. LLMs are a fascinating technology created by us humans, and they have the potential to make our life better. We shall s…

> LLMs are a fascinating technology created by us humans, and they have the potential to make our life better. Just like forever chemicals. LLMs cause a lot of problems and they should not be disregarded. > We shall stay curious. Curiousity is fine. But critical thinking is still advised

Appreciate the comment.

Curiosity and critical thinking are both important when it comes to new technologies, agree.

Agree too that LLMs can cause problems. However, I see a real net plus for me (in comparison, I never understood well why blockchain was so hyped). As a non-developer but with technical background, I can now create my own software tools or modify available tools for my needs; LLMs are also fantastic tutors - this feels like progress. I can imagine that researchers in many disciplines also feel this.

At the same time I am scared, because many of my skills are just obsolete. And the environmental consequences are also "problematic". On the other hand, individual transport and industrial agriculture are (my intuitive take) much worse.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #227
anticorporate wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "community" and "contributor community" are getting conflated here (and I made the same mistake in my original comment). All of the projects you cited certainly have a large user community. > To us, it seems ridiculous to see projects with a single developer and virtually no users consuming as much or even more resources than some of the largest community projects on Codeberg, which operate frugal with CI/CD…

Many influential F/OSS projects started with a small number of users (and contributors), and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Codeberg effectively says that it only welcome mature enough projects that it feels worthy to host, and that's selfish. That's not a direct problem by itself but still a good reason to get criticized.

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by [deleted] »

hellcow wrote: post #126
mcv wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird thing is: I agree with both of you. Of course they can decide what to host and what not. And it's sad if that excludes me. But insulting small projects like that was uncalled-for.

Did we read the same article? > To us, it seems ridiculous to see projects with a single developer and virtually no users consuming as much or even more resources than some of the largest community projects on Codeberg, which operate frugal with CI/CD and storage resources. We do not believe it is reasonable for Codeberg to invest our precious donation money into hosting of large ghost projects. This seems like a sta…

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by chasd00 »

lelanthran wrote: post #156
therealpygon wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were the comparison I made — that a non-developer vibe-coding is better than a developer — sure, I’d see your point.

I think, perhaps, my point is that at this rate, pretty soon there won't be any non-vibed projects. Even those devs that are currently overseeing are gradually atrophying their critical thinking skills in this space.

Does that mean codeberg has just guaranteed its own demise?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by qweqwe14 »

thejosh wrote: post #244

I would love to use something that isn't GitHub for code hosting. Codeberg sounds great, but from using it day-to-day, it's really slow sometimes, and frequently times out (from Perth, AU, if it matters). This is not just the SSH protocol for git pushes, but also for browsing. (I do have a self-hosted forgejo (came from gitea), it's great, Postgres database backs up, files are easy to backup, it's also git so I can j…

You can just self-host GitLab CE and use self-hosted ElasticSearch integration to set up code search. I really don't understand the point of Forgejo, sounds like making your life harder

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by throwayay4929 »

chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

Imaging where the world would be if Firefox, when it came out, went deep on the Iraq war? Or if RMS got involved in, I don't know, the Lewinsky affair in the 1990s, and made it a core part of the FSF?

We'd all be using WinXP SE and IE6.

"The personal is political" is a truly toxic idea that's been corroding nice things since it's inception.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Cider9986 »

atoav wrote: post #159
hespejo wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, but as freedom of expression allows 'assholes' to say whatever they want, free software also allows 'assholes' to develop whatever they want - and limiting it while position itself as the lighthouse of freedom makes Codeberg people the actual assholes

Freedom of expression, as defined in the US, sure. But not everybody in the internet shares the definition. E.g. as a European my idea of freedom of speech is not limited to the things I am allowed to say, but also about whether spaces exist in which I can say them. US style freedom of speech, doesn't produce any more insightful or free discourse than over here. In fact I'd argue it produces a discourse where voices…

Free speech in the US is about protecting citizens freedom from government harm for their speech. That's all. We can agree government shouldn't punish their citizens for their speech?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

> a hub built around “free software” is now telling its users which kinds of software are deemed good and which are not, and that is closer to censorship than it might seem. Once a platform writes into its terms that an entire category “harms its reputation” and can be removed on that basis, the deciding factor stops being whether the code is legal, or functional, or useful, and becomes whether it aligns with a position the platform has taken.

To me, this is the key point: Service providers should be neutral. Especially ones claiming to be free as in freedom.

Only get involved insofar as it is required by law, and stay out of it otherwise. Individuals can have their opinions and biases, but keep them out of the platforms.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by chmod775 »

lkey wrote: post #270
chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

The article calls another entity exerting its right of free association 'censorship'. This too is signaling a certain set of values. Even Immoral and Amoral companies serve values that others might consider 'baggage'. Palantir worshipping death and war has caused their civilian contracts to suffer and languish. This is baggage; It may be their own death knell. '(amorally) maximizing shareholder value (for the next qu…

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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by throwayay4929 »

lowsong wrote: post #268
jasonvorhe wrote: post #78

> Using LLMs to work with your code gives you a kick of adrenaline. You can develop at a rapid pace, build things as if you had a large team. Only that you have none. In fact, you are (often) alone, working with a statistical machine that turns energy into code. Is anyone else extremely annoyed with the way this is written? To me it reeks of paternalistic arrogance that simultaneously exposes the author's armchair ps…

Except that it's true. It feels good to use them, to feel productive, and that is addictive. That's the hard truth: Vibe coders are addicted to using LLMs. You're going to reject that. You're now going straight to typing up a response about how I'm wrong. But addicts often cannot accept they are addicts. It's why the first step is always recognizing you have a problem, because even that is a hard step. Tech is full o…

> Tech is full of people who think they're smarter than everyone else

Thanks for offering yourself as a prime example.

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