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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mcv »

bayindirh wrote: post #6

For a more informed discussion about what's banned and what's not, I'm leaving here this discussion on Mastodon: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116962454004862117 TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. Also, Codeberg always had a limit on private repositories and never wanted to be a place for non-FLOSS…

That starting message is not encouraging:

> so many people who have made "coding with an LLM" their whole personality

As opposed to "coding without an LLM" being their whole personality? Neither of these are what a personality is. Comments like thesen are needlessly dismissive and not conducive to a healthy discussion.

Codeberg has every right to set their own standards, but the discussion around it is ugly and dismissive of many well-meaning developers.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by nozzlegear »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #74
nozzlegear wrote: post #59

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I think German non profit organizations are required by law to have a certain level of governance structure.

Ah, interesting! I didn't realize they were German, and didn't realize it's a non-profit as well. I thought it was just an open source project and that was that. That would explain the bureaucracy.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by znpy »

I mostly stay away from community-lead stuff (and services in particular) mostly because of this.

It’s a never ending drama, and every quarter there’s something new to hate on or get offended by.

I’m tired, boss.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mcv »

Aachen wrote: post #75
mcv wrote: post #63

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> imagine LLMs got twice as good as they are today) I have no idea how you'd quantify that, but they're pretty good already. At least in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. I share everybody's concern about many aspects of LLMs; copyright, data collection, energy use, component prices, not to mention what it does to us: outsourcing our thinking, dependency, slop. And I don't entirely disagree wanting t…

If you could have built it yourself but it was just too much work for the available time, then I trust that indeed the architecture will be sound and it sounds to me like it should be fine to build this way and host on Codeberg... until this amendment :/. I feel sorry that I'm part of this organisation that just shut the door on you How's your appetite for self hosting? I've only ever hosted the predecessor of Forgej…

I was hoping my library is useful enough to enough people that a community would form around it. Self hosting doesn't sound like a good way to do that.

I'll have a look at Gitea. Otherwise it's probably going to be Github. Or I'll self host until I find something better.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by akkartik »

mcv wrote: post #77
akkartik wrote: post #51

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Weird thing is: I agree with both of you. Of course they can decide what to host and what not. And it's sad if that excludes me. But insulting small projects like that was uncalled-for.

Absolutely. I have no complaint with their actual change to the terms of service. I've had an account with them for years, and I stopped hosting new repos there a year or two ago, because I got mixed signals about precisely what kinds of projects they want to host. I don't need a host, plenty of fish in the sea. But I also think the world is better for having them in it and being hardened against enshittification, and I don't want to see them constantly struggling to stay up under assault from LLM crawlers. I wish them well.

I am constantly ill-choosing words I didn't mean, it's not such a big deal.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mcv »

Aachen wrote: post #64
nozzlegear wrote: post #59

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Sort of yeah! I got used to it by now. At the local hackerspace we have a voorzitter, penningmeester, and secretaris -> president, treasurer, and secretary I think would be the English terms. All sounding fancy and together they're the board. But they don't dress up or anything, it's just terms that are commonplace for small organisations here, in Germany (like with Codeberg) as in the Netherlands (like our hackerspa…

That's normal for any "vereniging", "Verein", union or association. My VVE (HOA) has that too. So did both of the student unions I've been a member of. There are organisations for playing games that have the same structure. As soon as you've got any kind of money or responsibility involved, you need some governance structure, or you're just giving your money to some guy.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by veganmosfet »

Same. I moved to codeberg because of the non-commercial and "freedom" aspects. I enjoy vibe-coding tools for different applications, e.g. for prompt injection research. Now I will probably move back to Github. I accept this decision but I am quite disappointed by the ideology and black & white view. LLMs are a fascinating technology created by us humans, and they have the potential to make our life better.

We shall stay curious.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by delfinom »

boramalper wrote: post #21
anticorporate wrote: post #10

The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. I don't share that concern. It's not all that different from Mastodon instances. It's a community space, and the community gets to decide who they allow to use their resources. Personally, I have a group of friends who share a GitLab instance, for example.…

> The author seems annoyed that Codeberg wants to focus on projects that have a legitimate contributor community and is not designed for one-off individual projects. I think Codeberg was never intended for one-off individual projects in the first place, such as them discouraging private repositories. Quoting their Terms of Use [0]: > Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like s…

Eh, I release my own one-off individual projects as FOSS. The entire point of FOSS and how most of the common FOSS originated was all one-off individual project. Even Linus created Linux because he could for himself (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/how-l...), and not because he wanted to invent a mailing list bureaucracy to blow his spare time.

Codeberg setting such a high bar means FOSS is dead unless you are a company spending millions to fund something from day zero.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by bhelkey »

embedding-shape wrote: post #56
rwz wrote: post #33

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> It's not all that different from Mastodon instances. It's a community space, and the community gets to decide who they allow to use their resources. Personally, I have a group of friends who share a GitLab instance, for example. I think it's a bad example since your private GitLab instance wasn't all over the HN earlier screaming "are you tired of Github outages and Microslop breaking it every day? Migrate all your…

> Codeberg was actively positioned as an indie almost drop-in Github alternative What on earth are you talking about? No one, no less Codeberg themselves, would make up such fictitious comparison. The terms and conditions second point is "Allowed Content & Usage", and has been for a good 4 years, no one who's part of the organization would say it's a "drop-in GitHub alternative". It's not a "anything goes" git host e…

>> Codeberg was actively positioned as an indie almost drop-in Github alternative

> What on earth are you talking about? No one, no less Codeberg themselves, would make up such fictitious comparison.

Codeberg's getting started documentation has the line, "Codeberg is not a for-profit corporation but an open community of free software enthusiasts providing a humane, non-commercial and privacy-friendly alternative to commercial services such as GitHub." [1]

[1] https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/what-is-codeberg/

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by nozzlegear »

throwaway89201 wrote: post #80
nozzlegear wrote: post #59

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Nobody is LARPing an Eingetragener Verein , they're just being one, and the law requires them to have a board and presidium. As they got hundreds of votes on the issue, that means tens of thousands of euros in membership contributions. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want to create a legal entity for that, and an e.V. is easier to set up in the beginning (although it can lead to a lot of drama later).

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