Earlier quoted context omitted.
By what metric - GDP? That measures price level, not economic power.
Most expensive groceries, rents, and healthcare in the world! Winning!
stupidly large number of lawyers as well.
fixed for you.
Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
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#862The whole article is very well summarized in these two lines :American leadership requires two things: world-leading American open-weight models and continued access for U.S. builders to open models already available worldwide, and I beleive Not only US but Europe and all around the Globe we should have same pursuit.
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#863I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…
This is why Dario has always wanted more regulation on AI. So that Anthropic would benefit from it.
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#864I‘m not even sure what the argument for banning Chinese models/open weights even is supposed to be? 1. if it’s to stop hackers doing hacking things with „uncontrollable models“ then, well… they’re already doing something illegal to begin with, why would they care about breaking another law running these models? 2. if it’s to stop foreign actors, then that ban would not apply to them anyway 3. it’s not stopping distil…
I wonder how they would feasibly ban it. They could do so with some infrastructure offering to run it, but ultimately you would be able to run your own private instance. What am I missing here, how would the ban be implemented?
I expect this to be just posturing, but still
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#865They will need to do something new here, somewhere between patents and copyright, to help protect US intellectual property on the AI stage.
Otherwise, US r&d will fold on this.
Longer term, 2 years plus, it will be a race to the cheapest as almost all models will be better than our current frontier ones.
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#867I think distillation is inevitable and pretty hard to prevent but I also dunno why anyone would spend billions to train frontier models if there's enough distillation going on to get near it with much lower spend.
Oh, you mean not commit fraud? Why would any respectable company do that?
Didn't Anthropic say they banned OpenAI for doing it on their models?
Re: Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI
#868They will need to do something new here, somewhere between patents and copyright, to help protect US intellectual property on the AI stage. Otherwise, US r&d will fold on this. Longer term, 2 years plus, it will be a race to the cheapest as almost all models will be better than our current frontier ones.
How would that be justified, because as I see it would necessarily treat model outputs as more protected than actual human output?
Surely Anthropic/OpenAI ToS isn't something which can have more weight than, let's say, the ToS of a website expressed through robots.txt, considering that for the length, actual human effort has gone into writing the text, at a cost much greater than anything output by an LLM. So so long as the AI firms are allowed to crawl and then train on human-generated websites that don't allow crawling, but are crawled anyway, I think this kind of thing is really hard to justify.
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#869> the U.S. can “sanction” companies that engage in intellectual property theft
The hypocrisy is off the charts.
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#870Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t. I do read major reputed economists though, and they are not exactly bullish on China. Don’t create fictional versions of the people you argue with. This is the second time in a span of 10 minutes that you’ve done it. It completely undermines any attempt to discuss something, and drops your integrity to zero.
Yeah I'm seeing how USA vs China is going. USA: https://www.linkedin.com/videos/tpopomaronis_ive-seen-some-e... China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUbbBdSGHE8 But... China is definitely copying... Hahahahha
I wish I could upvote you thrice lol