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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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You say that, but that's literally a Russian conspiracy theory with Ukraine: The US baited Russia into thinking the US was weak because of Afghanistan, and then Russia got all ballsy and walked into Ukraine and it was a trap.

The joke is Russia has always been incompetent. McCain was actually on the money in 2008. He was in the audience when Putin gave that famous "warning to the west" speech in Germany [1]. The quip that Russia is a "gas station with nuclear weapons" about sums it up. The United States being weak or not really has nothing to do with it. They counted on Zelensky cutting and running, the attempted decapitation of Kyiv fail…

"The United States is truly blessed simply by being two oceans away from anyone who could remotely challenge it." This is tragical misunderstanding of the situation. Both military and ecologically.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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You say that, but that's literally a Russian conspiracy theory with Ukraine: The US baited Russia into thinking the US was weak because of Afghanistan, and then Russia got all ballsy and walked into Ukraine and it was a trap.

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Or competence of CIA and MI6 - and their relevant recent practical experiences.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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It'll be interesting to see what happens when an AI-piloted F-16 flies for real against a human-piloted one. IIRC, the F-16 maximum maneuvering G-load is 9.5G, LBA (limited by airframe). Maybe that's the meatbag limit, not the airframe - possible to crank it up a bit? Certainly the various CCAs in current flight test will take much higher G loads. Several years ago, DoD flew an AI against a human in a simulation. In…

> Maybe that's the meatbag limit, not the airframe Given that when they go over the limit they need like 10x the maintenance I don't think it's a human problem

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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These are going to be experienced test pilots who are pretty good at actively managing autopilots and other automated systems. Plus they'll be backed up by telemetry to ground controllers. But ultimately the military is willing to accept some losses in order to advance key R&D programs.

Later they'll replace them with minimum wage safety pilots.

What a silly statement to make. They'll just be replaced with AI. This is literally the plot of the Terminator

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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> The Skynet stock rallies. Interestingly, a lot of people are looking at LLMs or automated drones as "AI", but I think that capitalism is a better contender. It's a self-healing, self-organizing system that has its own logic and seems to have escaped the desires of its human creators. It treats individual firms as the cells within it, individual humans as its DNA molecules, and it even has a form of tissue different…

SF author Charlie Stross delved into this a few years ago: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2018/01/dude-yo...

“. If I predict that in 2027 LTE cellular phones will be everywhere, 5G will be available for high bandwidth applications, and fallback to satellite data service will be available at a price, you won't laugh at me. It's not like I'm predicting that airliners will fly slower and Nazis will take over the United States, is it?”

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Dog fights are relevant for training. Also useful for slow drone work. However fighter on fighter is where missles are used

That's the current meta though is the thing and it could change. There's a plausible world where drone-aircraft are reliable enough at missile evasion that a decent strategy is to get in close and use the cannons because your entire airframe is much more attritable. There's even a plausible reason to do this: opening a weapons bay to shoot a missile generally reduces stealth, and not hauling a bunch of extra rocket m…

From what I have read (from unreliable sources), Ukrainian fighter pilots tried this a few years back and stopped due to too many losses.

To engage a slow flying drone with cannons from a fighter jet, they have to get really close while flying close to stall speed. They had some success in shooting down drones but the explosion and the debris caused several lost fighters.

Maybe something like a Embraer Super Tucano turboprop fighter with a gunpod could work. But that has very little other use in the battlefield.

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