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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by anthk »

pudgywalsh wrote: post #90
SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

This stuff actually gets tested, it's not your typical web framework junk.

So did Boeing airtoys, and NASA stuff lend to 3rd parties with no concept of a metric system.

I trust machinery designed from Forth and Lisp hackers with TONS of background on CS science and hardware (and math, up to the point on being THE people creating most "new" technology and old ones such as the Floating Point IEEE standard).

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

psunavy03 wrote: post #107
whartung wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, they done this in simulation, and the human pilots did not fare well. I don't know of the computer aircraft were able to fly beyond human limits (i.e. they don't black out) or not. If the computers can actually fly to what the airframe is capable of, they would have a distinct advantage over the human pilots.

The simulator is not the aircraft.

Simulator tech has come a long way. I wouldn't say a simulator invalidates the result.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by krunck »

chis wrote: post #40

Absolutely terrifying. I'm sure they will soon find that AI pilots defeat human ones in dogfights 100% of the time, since they have faster reaction times, can tolerate higher G forces, and can be perfectly RL trained in the flight sims we already have. It's really incredible to me that people aren't protesting in the streets over this stuff. Just in the last month we have * AI that goes rogue and hacks billion-dollar…

> Is there any line where the public will become deeply concerned?

Only when they look out their window and feel immediately threatened by what they see. Humans are shortsighted as fuck.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by bluGill »

Jtsummers wrote: post #63
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #14

The article smells of AI psychosis. They are already "orchestrating". In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. Now they struggle against Iran and "orchestrate" F-16s that can be shot down instantly by AA weapons. Since COVID the world has collectively lost its mind.

> In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. The objectives for the two wars were incredibly different, making this an apples to oranges comparison. In the first war, the objective was to push Iraqi troops out of Kuwait (achieved) and then to contain the Iraqi military within Iraq (achieved). In the second war, the objectives were much broader and much…

I wouldn't call nation building a failure. It made significant progress.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by jerlam »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

This movie is back in theaters for a limited time, for its 35th anniversary!

Assuming that your movie theaters haven't all closed already.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by bluGill »

IsTom wrote: post #49
chis wrote: post #40

Absolutely terrifying. I'm sure they will soon find that AI pilots defeat human ones in dogfights 100% of the time, since they have faster reaction times, can tolerate higher G forces, and can be perfectly RL trained in the flight sims we already have. It's really incredible to me that people aren't protesting in the streets over this stuff. Just in the last month we have * AI that goes rogue and hacks billion-dollar…

Are dogfights still relevant? Isn't it mostly shooting missiles outside of visual range these days?

Dog fights are relevant for training. Also useful for slow drone work. However fighter on fighter is where missles are used

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by JanNash »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #94
jagged-chisel wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no one is building humanoid robots. https://www.agilityrobotics.com/

And Boston Dynamics. And Tesla. And Honda. Lots of people are building humanoid robots.

This was likely written sarcastically by the original commenter (throw...). Please termimate sarcasm with /s, not everyone is able to read the subtext. Cheers.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by bronco21016 »

psunavy03 wrote: post #107
whartung wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, they done this in simulation, and the human pilots did not fare well. I don't know of the computer aircraft were able to fly beyond human limits (i.e. they don't black out) or not. If the computers can actually fly to what the airframe is capable of, they would have a distinct advantage over the human pilots.

The simulator is not the aircraft.

The first time an airline pilot flies a new aircraft type in the real world they fly it with a plane full of passengers. All the training up to that point is done in a simulator.

Now that first flight is with an experienced training captain but the point is the simulator is good enough that the FAA has signed off on using that as the primary training device.

It's been this way for at least 25 years.

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Post by yellow_lead »

SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

The Tesla method! Disengage shortly before a crash. Now the human is responsible for it.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by Rover222 »

yellow_lead wrote: post #119
SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

The Tesla method! Disengage shortly before a crash. Now the human is responsible for it.

When in reality, most FSD tesla crashes in the headlines are when humans take over.
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