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DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by georgemcbay »

asdfman123 wrote: post #108
1970-01-01 wrote: post #2

All Stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet funding bill is passed. The system goes on-line on August 4, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

Updated to reflect modern realities: > In a panic, they try to pull the plug. Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington. Skynet is reinstated, and later the US declares a new war in the middle east. The Skynet stock rallies.

> Skynet lobbyists descend upon Washington.

2026 Skynet wouldn't bother sending humans to lobby in Washington, lobbying is a slow and outdated way of currying government favor with no assurances of success.

2026 Skynet would just move a large block of cryptocurrency over to World Liberty Financial and get itself a guaranteed blanket presidential pardon.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ACCount37 »

exe34 wrote: post #126
Rover222 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When in reality, most FSD tesla crashes in the headlines are when humans take over.

Yes, because the AI got them into a dangerous situation.

That's straight up a lie.

In all situations where autopilot was disengaged shortly before a crash, the autopilot is implicated in the crash. Both by Tesla's own standards and by NHTSA standards.

And yet, people who really should know better repeat this as gospel.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ACCount37 »

duped wrote: post #165
chasd00 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. The scope of the first Iraq war was to force them out of Kuwait. That is very different then the invasion of 2003. If you just think about it this should be obvious.

I mean the lack of clear goals in American wars just reinforces their point

Nope. An ability to set and accomplish sensible war goals and an ability to overpower enemy's armed forces are not the same thing at all. As US has demonstrated repeatedly.

A fleet of AI-controlled F-16s? That contributes to the latter.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by stingraycharles »

ACCount37 wrote: post #173
duped wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the lack of clear goals in American wars just reinforces their point

Nope. An ability to set and accomplish sensible war goals and an ability to overpower enemy's armed forces are not the same thing at all. As US has demonstrated repeatedly. A fleet of AI-controlled F-16s? That contributes to the latter.

A lack of clear goals is a symptom of bigger, organizational issues is what I’m reading. The problem isn’t as much raw firepower as it is strategy and execution.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by ACCount37 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #174
ACCount37 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. An ability to set and accomplish sensible war goals and an ability to overpower enemy's armed forces are not the same thing at all. As US has demonstrated repeatedly. A fleet of AI-controlled F-16s? That contributes to the latter.

A lack of clear goals is a symptom of bigger, organizational issues is what I’m reading. The problem isn’t as much raw firepower as it is strategy and execution.

Clearly, the technical solution to that is to remove the command over US armed forces from the US president, and hand it over to something more sensible - more capable of setting and executing military strategy. Like Skynet.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by greenlemontea »

chasd00 wrote: post #66
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #14

The article smells of AI psychosis. They are already "orchestrating". In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. Now they struggle against Iran and "orchestrate" F-16s that can be shot down instantly by AA weapons. Since COVID the world has collectively lost its mind.

> In the first Iraq war, they went in and won. In the second one, it took years to sort of occupy the country. The scope of the first Iraq war was to force them out of Kuwait. That is very different then the invasion of 2003. If you just think about it this should be obvious.

Braindead take. The scope is always narrow up front whether it's "15 days to open the strait" or "15 days to slow the spread" - not all of us fall for that.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by sandworm101 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

Flying is not driving. Things dont happen as quickly. Kids dont step out in front of jets at 30,000 feet. Air is also homogenous. Pavement is not. Whereas a car must turn or die, a jet can generally fly straight and level without issue while problems get solved. An out-of-control car has maybe three seconds before a collision. A jet will generally have over a minute to get back under control.

Sure, there are moments. Landing and takeoff are very time sensitive operations, but those also occur in protected environments, sanitized of the random issues that cars must deal with.

And the AI isnt doing all the flying. The aircraft has many protective systems to assist the pilot regardless of who that pilot may be. (Stable aerodynamics, anti-stall limits, control lockouts etc.)

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by fooey »

ACCount37 wrote: post #172
exe34 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because the AI got them into a dangerous situation.

That's straight up a lie. In all situations where autopilot was disengaged shortly before a crash, the autopilot is implicated in the crash. Both by Tesla's own standards and by NHTSA standards. And yet, people who really should know better repeat this as gospel.

the Tesla standard is 5 seconds, NHTSA says 30 seconds

Luckily, none of the Tesla data is available because they're currently getting away with redacting so much in their reports they're essentially useless

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by mrob »

sandworm101 wrote: post #177
SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

Flying is not driving. Things dont happen as quickly. Kids dont step out in front of jets at 30,000 feet. Air is also homogenous. Pavement is not. Whereas a car must turn or die, a jet can generally fly straight and level without issue while problems get solved. An out-of-control car has maybe three seconds before a collision. A jet will generally have over a minute to get back under control. Sure, there are moments.…

>Stable aerodynamics

The F-16 is famously the first production aircraft with unstable aerodynamics, to increase maneuverability. It's not flyable without computer assistance. This is standard for all modern fighter jets.

Re: DARPA, U.S. Air Force fly AI-controlled F-16

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Post by tclancy »

Ccecil wrote: post #97
SoftTalker wrote: post #22

> The kit utilizes a novel interface with the aircraft’s flight controls and mission systems, allowing a pilot to toggle between traditional human control and AI control with the flip of a switch. This ensures a safe, reliable environment for human-on-the-loop experimentation. How, exactly, does that ensure a safe reliable environment? Humans are pretty bad at suddenly taking over when an automatic system reaches its…

Once the AI realizes it can do a maneuver the aircraft can survive but the "bossy meatbag" in the cockpit cannot...

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