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Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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I did a little research study back in 2003 where I went to various grocers and purchased the same product at these grocers and compared. Walmart has larger boxes, and less contents, universally, for pretty much everything in a box, and they charge 1/3 more for their 2/3rds of what you get everywhere else. They make nearly 50% more profit from that little slight of hand. And try discussing this with any shoppers and t…

>Walmart has larger boxes, and less contents in EU labels must show prices per kilogram of product, to make this kind of fuckery harder

Isn't this required in US stores now as well? Everywhere I go I see a $/oz next to the price.

Edit: I guess not: https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/national-legal-metrology/us-ret...

Though my state doesn't have this law and I still see it at all stores. I very much rely on it, and it should be law.

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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I'll admit that I tend to implicitly trust that the larger boxes on the shelves contain more. I haven't checked the price-per-unit in a bit. Granted, my closest grocery is not a WalMart and I'm typically purchasing mass-produced sundries. Basically, the "Family Size" of Cheez-its is the same at any store. One thing I have noticed is that 5lb bags of flour/sugar haven't been standard in a hot minute.

Actually, the family size Cheez-its is one of the worst offenders, they are not 1/3rd less, more like 50% less product.

Than what? It's 21oz compared to the 7oz regular size and 12.4oz "Pantry Size".

It's like $5-$6 for the box. That's been true at both the local grocery and WalMart.

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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I did a little research study back in 2003 where I went to various grocers and purchased the same product at these grocers and compared. Walmart has larger boxes, and less contents, universally, for pretty much everything in a box, and they charge 1/3 more for their 2/3rds of what you get everywhere else. They make nearly 50% more profit from that little slight of hand. And try discussing this with any shoppers and t…

And a ridiculously high percentage of the time markdown prices on the shelves at Walmart are not reflected at checkout. Happened to me just this weekend. Walmart, one of the largest companies in the USA, whose job is to sell items, can't do the basics of keeping pricing/signage in sync? BS.

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Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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Related discussions on articles from this site: Power Tools Got Worse on Purpose https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48147665 Brands got worse on purpose https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47849221 Backpacks got worse on purpose https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47777209

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Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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post #71

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> if you start with a $3000 loss per month This is a question of access to capital. Since we're all on the VC site we should understand how that works; for things like that it's very important to get "angel" investors who are comfortable putting in less-than-six-figures to get a product to the stage where it is proven for bigger investors. I'm glad that everyone's quoting Market for Lemons now, but it doesn't quite a…

Why would a capitalist fund something that will obviously not make money, like a random Finnish dude's operating system, when there's already Microsoft Windows?

Jorma Jaakko Ollila didn't seem to have that problem.

(Explaining the joke: Finnish CEO of Nokia, responsible for the Symbian operating system)

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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post #69

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I'll admit that I tend to implicitly trust that the larger boxes on the shelves contain more. I haven't checked the price-per-unit in a bit. Granted, my closest grocery is not a WalMart and I'm typically purchasing mass-produced sundries. Basically, the "Family Size" of Cheez-its is the same at any store. One thing I have noticed is that 5lb bags of flour/sugar haven't been standard in a hot minute.

Actually, the family size Cheez-its is one of the worst offenders, they are not 1/3rd less, more like 50% less product.

It's actually not a complete loss, you can convince your girlfriend that it's 8 inches by measuring it against a "2x4" :-).

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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This entire site can be boiled down to: products get decrease in quality when customers don't know or don't care what quality is. Price is a clear and obvious thing to measure, quality is much more difficult. Consumers get little or no formal education in quality, and advertisements (and even review sites!) almost never address it properly. Any review site that is paid for by ads or affiliate links has the default po…

It's not just customers, many (most?) established reviewers have no idea what quality is. I don't know how many YT review videos I've seen... well, seen the first 30s of, where the reviewer lines up a dozen products and measures some pointless feature of each one of them purely because that's the only thing they can think of to measure and it then allows them to rank them on a scale, rather than saying anything about ease of use, build quality, availability of spare parts, accuracy/repeatability/clean finish of whatever it is the tool does, etc. Project Farm is a prime example of this.

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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One massive unmentioned counterexample: High quality Chinese tools continue to proliferate and sucker-punch these brands for being so egregious with quality. They are now the high quality standard if you know what brands to look for, and not because their competition got worse as mentioned here, they are simply iterating and improving and making better tools and designs than they did 10 years ago. Sometimes you are g…

You cannot vote with your wallet unless you have perfect knowledge and infinite time to do all of the comparative tests.

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

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Yes, I've heard of this effect in marketing. If you make any reference to Switzerland, it's instant sales bump, even if you hold everything else equal. This is also how you got "Häagen-Dazs" ice cream brand. It's fully American, but the name sounds vaguely Scandinavian, so it has to be better, right? Well, customers sure do think so, and are willing to pay the premium.

Not challenging your marketing presumption; I've noticed, and seen pointed out, the same thing. As a side note, years ago Häagen-Dazs was better (high milk-fat, etc) than the other widely-available brands. It's now owned by Nestlé, so I don't buy it anymore. How much has it been enshittified?

Just from the base ingredients they still look fine.

>cream, skim milk, cane sugar, egg yolks, ground vanilla beans, vanilla extract

Compare that with Ben and Jerry's which lists sugar water third on their ingredients list and water fourth.

Re: Worse on Purpose – How Corporate Greed Killed Product Quality

#110

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There are Chinese machine manufacturers who use fake German brand names because for a long time Germany was selling the manufacturing machinery to China and they have a good national brand image.

You don't need a fake brand: use Philips.

>Philips

not a german brand

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