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Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by patanegra »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #68
__rito__ wrote: post #64

> 4. Be part of bigger things > Being part of bigger things makes us feel valued. Find communities and projects to be part of. Start your own. It could be online or in the real world. Make sure the groups don't get politically active one way or the other. Today's social landscape is made significantly worse by political polarization dragged to the extreme - fuelled by short form content silos and bubbles. (Tiktok, In…

Inquiry: what do you define as politics? Example: is a trans person in your community political for using their preferred pronouns? Going to their preferred bathroom? Is a gay person political for mentioning their same sex spouse? Is an immigrant political for discussing their immigration process (“sorry can’t make it I have an apt with the embassy”)? Is tits or gtfo political? I’m not trying to be contrarian this is…

Interesting, that none of those things have been an issue in the 90s. At least in my country. You just didn't have to think about this, because except gays (who were accepted by young, and frowned up by old), there were no discussion about any of that.

Someone made this into an issue, and politics. And things have got much worse, during all this.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

ziofill wrote: post #84
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the thing though: Helen is presenting herself to be called Helen. That’s inherently asking other people to call her Helen and imposing on people to allow a person they see as male to enter a female bathroom! For people who see being transgender as a political issue, being asked to call a trans person by their name is bringing politics into it because theyre being imposed on to recognize a trans woman as female…

These are issues of civility, not politics.

Politics is the apparatus of civility. It determines how we treat the uncivil, and the direction we push for “new” civility standards.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by roenxi »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #110
roenxi wrote: post #109

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I did just write "that is an inescapable problem that has dogged humanity since before we were a species" you know. But nonetheless the trans bathroom one has a simple and nonpolitical resolution until the people who want segregation start making an argument about why some people need a special bathroom. At which point the gender thing probably doesn't matter. This is a part of why people are hopeful that they can ke…

So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space? That’s all I’m saying. I’m using transgender issues as an example but my overall point is that there’s no such thing as a space that is focused around something and simply gets a no politics rule. There is always some kind of politics in play simply by nature of politics being an extension of acceptable and unacceptable community, e.g.…

> So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space?

Yeah, its a meaningless term. The people calling for it are clearly being inarticulately and are trying to say something else.

But the trans bathroom thing has an obvious resolution. The people fighting over it are more about wanting to pick a fight than that there is an actual issue; if the people around me wanted me to use the female bathroom or the male bathroom either is cool. It's a bathroom. They meet a unisex need. If segregation is an issue in the abstract then stop doing that until there is an objective standard to use instead of a subjective one.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by handedness »

roenxi wrote: post #113
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space? That’s all I’m saying. I’m using transgender issues as an example but my overall point is that there’s no such thing as a space that is focused around something and simply gets a no politics rule. There is always some kind of politics in play simply by nature of politics being an extension of acceptable and unacceptable community, e.g.…

> So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space? Yeah, its a meaningless term. The people calling for it are clearly being inarticulately and are trying to say something else. But the trans bathroom thing has an obvious resolution. The people fighting over it are more about wanting to pick a fight than that there is an actual issue; if the people around me wanted me to use the fema…

'Everyone who disagrees with my obvious resolution only wants to pick a fight over what I deem a non-issue for me, and therefore, everyone.'

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by roenxi »

handedness wrote: post #114
roenxi wrote: post #113

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> So you’re in agreement with me that “no politics” isn’t really a thing in a space? Yeah, its a meaningless term. The people calling for it are clearly being inarticulately and are trying to say something else. But the trans bathroom thing has an obvious resolution. The people fighting over it are more about wanting to pick a fight than that there is an actual issue; if the people around me wanted me to use the fema…

'Everyone who disagrees with my obvious resolution only wants to pick a fight over what I deem a non-issue for me, and therefore, everyone.'

That is generally how it works when people don't accept obvious resolutions. If you want to challenge its obviousness be my guest. It is pretty normal for a DnD/board game group to be meeting at someone's house where there is literally only one bathroom. It is hard to miss the fact that both genders can use it without complaint.

In a sporting context or similar where people are needing to change clothes then it isn't an easy one, but in this context it isn't much of a challenge.

Re: Ten Steps Towards Happiness (2015)

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Post by handedness »

roenxi wrote: post #115
handedness wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Everyone who disagrees with my obvious resolution only wants to pick a fight over what I deem a non-issue for me, and therefore, everyone.'

That is generally how it works when people don't accept obvious resolutions. If you want to challenge its obviousness be my guest. It is pretty normal for a DnD/board game group to be meeting at someone's house where there is literally only one bathroom. It is hard to miss the fact that both genders can use it without complaint. In a sporting context or similar where people are needing to change clothes then it isn't…

Are you saying that a policy which works for invited guests in a private, one-bathroom home, should, based on its success there, be adopted at a societal scale?
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