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Post by FabHK »

protimewaster wrote: post #238
konart wrote: post #199

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>nor buying gas for cars In many countries car is not something essential thanks to public transport. And some people [who own a car] actually stop using one when prices for gas go over the bar unless they absolutely have to.

> In many countries car is not something essential thanks to public transport. Is that true in many entire countries? It seems like most of the countries I've visited, there are usually places within the country where transit isn't very good, and if you point at a map and say "I want to visit this part of the county" the answer is "You should rent a car, because there's no good transit connection there." I absolutely…

Well, sure, and so you rarely or never go there. Most people I know don't have a car. Doesn't mean there aren't cars in the country.

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Post by evolve2k »

inigyou wrote: post #216
Grombobulous wrote: post #174

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My pushback on this idea and your previous comment in this thread is that a search engine is a service being provided to me. I pay Kagi, they give me search results. It’s not an ecosystem. None of their competitors are all that much of an ecosystem, either. If Kagi goes out of business tomorrow it’s really not my problem, with the exception of the prorated balance of the subscription. The only thing that really matte…

This. We are all too worried about the future. Like today's "I won't use Codeberg because tomorrow they could ban all repositories that contain Chinese characters." Well if that happens then you move. We all die in the end anyway.

You undervalue our collective momentum.

The speed with which many of us respond when a tech company does something really stupid is a key reason that things are not even shitter.

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #189
chrisweekly wrote: post #172

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which corner is that, where you live?

Well, the currency symbol might throw a hint. Because Americans of course use USD and rest of the world is pressured into using USD on online forums :)

Also the $22.83 for something that should be a round number.

Slapping sales tax on before the final price (but after the price in your head) is one of America's less charming quirks. No one else in the entire world does it.

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Post by carlosjobim »

j1elo wrote: post #138
201984 wrote: post #106

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Depends on your financial situation, but $10 is nothing these days. That's the price of a bougie coffee, half the price of going out to eat, half the price of a movie ticket, or less than 2 gallons of gas in some states. For most people here, it's probably 20min of labor after taxes or less, for something you use constantly. You pay several times more, possibly 10x more, for the internet you use Kagi on. Really not a…

So you live in one of the most expensive countries in the planet I guess, which forced you to get used to those absurdly high prices? In my corner of the first-world, I'm paying: * €6/mo mobile carrier with unlimited calls and what used to be 8 GB of data, but got raised (permanently without extra cost, across all customers) to 15 GB on last June. Paying a bit more could get you an "unlimited" plan. * €10/mo for 500…

Your mobile carrier and your fiber connection are great deals. That doesn't make $10 per month for Kagi an "absurdly high price". It's still a good deal. And they are completely different things.

I have very cheap electricity. If I compared other prices to my electrical bill, I couldn't purchase food, gas, Internet, or anything really. Because I'd say they are "absurdly high prices".

Re: Back to Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

ycombinator_acc wrote: post #142
201984 wrote: post #106

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Depends on your financial situation, but $10 is nothing these days. That's the price of a bougie coffee, half the price of going out to eat, half the price of a movie ticket, or less than 2 gallons of gas in some states. For most people here, it's probably 20min of labor after taxes or less, for something you use constantly. You pay several times more, possibly 10x more, for the internet you use Kagi on. Really not a…

People not from North America and Western Europe exist.

Have you met those people? A lot of them have ten dollars.

Re: Back to Kagi

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Post by carlosjobim »

armoredkitten wrote: post #131
SadTrombone wrote: post #49

Kagi is great, and I'd pay some amount of money for it, but $10/mth is simply too much for me personally to pay for a search engine. I understand why others do and enjoyed my Kagi experience, however. If only the $5 plan had more than 300 searches.

I stick with the 300 searches plan, and most months I don't hit the limit. That said, part of my strategy is if I'm searching for something that I know will show up readily (say I am trying to find a particular website, I just don't remember if it's .com or .org or whatever), then I use DuckDuckGo instead. Not because it's better, but because it saves one of the 300 searches for something more useful.

Enable Safari suggestions, and it will suggest the website you're looking for most of the times while typing in the URL bar, and you don't need to bother with a search engine for those cases.

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Post by SyneRyder »

bayindirh wrote: post #237
SyneRyder wrote: post #178

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No, they don't, and I had a feedback request back in September 2024 about that: https://kagifeedback.org/d/4727-option-to-choose-or-exclude-... I ended up quitting Kagi over that and built my own search engine for my own use. But if the comments here are correct that Kagi are trying to build their own index that replaces all the others, that would be great news. It seems lots of people still like Kagi regardless of t…

Yes, Kagi is building its own index, and try to mix it more and more if it finds results from it. More details are at: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm... Also, for every query, it shows a short infoline telling the index distribution.

Unfortunately, that's nearly identical to the text from September 2024, with the only change being an increase in the number of external search sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240901052114/https://help.kagi...

I'm aware of their Teclis index, I used to be a paying API customer. Teclis is very small. It's primarily an index of indie blog websites (smallweb) mostly crawled via RSS feeds. That itself is a very cool idea, and a great supplemental index to have! But it isn't the kind of index that could ever replace their Brave / Yandex / SerpAPI dependencies. The Teclis API is even supplemented with results from Marginalia Search, a much larger index created by one person with less funding.

There's some technical info here on how Teclis is indexed, eg Readability.js for content extraction & Elasticsearch for the full-text indexing:

https://teclis.com/

Kagi's short infoline about index distribution sounds new to me though. I would love to see a blog post from Kagi about that & where they're at with query coverage.

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Post by inigyou »

Larrikin wrote: post #239
inigyou wrote: post #220

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You're the product in Firefox, just a different kind than in chrome. Ad Nauseam is silly because ad companies know they are fake clicks and don't count them. Ads aren't the only thing you'd need to block from the internet.

There is zero evidence Ad Nauseum does not work, but there are plenty of signals it does. Google banned it from the Chrome store and setting any threshold below one hundred percent click rate just uses random. Even if it is somehow detectable it's just Ublock origin and not every ad network is worth billions of dollars

Have you bought ads and then browsed that site with Ad Nauseum and then discovered that you paid for the ads?

Re: Back to Kagi

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Post by inigyou »

evolve2k wrote: post #242
inigyou wrote: post #216

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This. We are all too worried about the future. Like today's "I won't use Codeberg because tomorrow they could ban all repositories that contain Chinese characters." Well if that happens then you move. We all die in the end anyway.

You undervalue our collective momentum. The speed with which many of us respond when a tech company does something really stupid is a key reason that things are not even shitter.

What's your favourite software? Linux? You know when Linus dies it'll just get absorbed by IBM, right?

Re: Back to Kagi

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Post by econ »

darkamaul wrote: post #187
econ wrote: post #139

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This is such a wonderful website https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/prices_by_country.jsp This is the broadband page. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/prices_by_country.jsp?...

Thanks for sharing this one, that’s truly a gem that I had no idea existed

This one is also great

https://www.gapminder.org/dollar-street

Made by Hans Rosling (among others)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w

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