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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by fluoridation »

tkel wrote: post #491
fluoridation wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't answer my question about what is not allowed to be challenged. >Yes, in communities that try to claim that certain things are "political" and certain things are "not political", "banning cryptocurrency" could be rejected on the basis that it is "political". The point is that saying something like "we don't do politics" is absurd. I don't understand what you're saying. You switched tracked halfway through t…

Every organization has ideological goals. That's what I'm getting at. Sometimes they are unable to recognize it because it's been normalized. What you define as "neutral" is not actually neutral. Such statements are themselves attempts at controlling what is normal/acceptable. The terms of acceptable discussion is context-dependent, but trying to set them at "politics" is contradictory, as I've explained.

To name one easy example, for-profit companies don't have ideological goals.

But just for the sake of argument I'll grant it and amend my statement: What is usually meant by "we don't do politics" is that an institution or organization will avoid picking sides on irrelevant political issues. A cat shelter doesn't need to have an official position on abortion to function, and in all likelihood having one would be counter to its purposes.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by akimbostrawman »

globular-toast wrote: post #297

Bitcoin was supposed to give us a way to have digital cash without bankers controlling the system for their benefit. How did we fuck this up so badly?

fundamental issues like no fungibility or privacy. if you want a crypto currency that btc was supposed to be and people think it is, use xmr monero.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by simonw »

mutkach wrote: post #366
simonw wrote: post #226

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I'm not crazy about this: > We acknowledge that many developers have started to embrace LLMs as a tool in their workflows. Some use it extensively and rarely code by hand, others delegate only specific tasks to it. We understand that you want to know how the change affects your projects going forward. While we can't give an easy answer, we'll share some remarks that should address most of the concerns raised in the d…

Specific change to ToS: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/commit/96fac426a32d1ba91ff... > 7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (1) 3) and furthermore have little safeguards to ensure that they do not include harmful code (c.f.…

The rationale in the ToS change and the rationale in the blog post don't match up.

The ToS change grammar could do with tightening up as well.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by EligibleDecoy »

veeti wrote: post #529
____mr____ wrote: post #372

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> the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. They do not believe this because this is simply not the reality we live in > Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. They are correct in this view. No matter how "apolitical" platforms like Github an…

Do you also see your local library hosting Mein Kampf as statement of support for fascism on part of the librarian?

It is a political statement about the freedom of press though, no? Some libraries ban books, others do not. But that doesn’t mean it’s not political.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tripzilch »

curiousObject wrote: post #568
sunshine-o wrote: post #521

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Yes if you compare a proof of stake blockchains (most of them) and the banking industry, crypto has a far smaller environmental footprint. Ethereum (since PoS) was designed to allow anybody to run a validator or even a full node out of modest hardware. The result is that the entire network probably has a smaller footprint than a single small/medium size bank.

>the entire network probably has a smaller footprint than a single small/medium size bank What research or statistics can you suggest to bolster this argument?

While I can't confirm comparisons to a "small/medium size bank" specifically (cause I have no idea how), I can perhaps clarify a bit

Ethereum moved to proof-of-stake in 2022, and it was initially expected to use only 1% of the energy it used when it was proof-of-work.

Turned out they were under-estimating the savings. According to studies by the Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance and the Crypto Carbon Ratings Institute, Ethereum's 2022 switch to Proof-of-Stake reduced its global network energy consumption by over 99.98% overnight.

As far as I understand, this was made possible because the Ethereum protocol was set up to be made extensible like this (even though big changes like these are hard), while Bitcoin on the other hand, is stuck on proof-of-work forever, since its protocol does not allow for changing it.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Klonoar »

nailer wrote: post #540
DaSHacka wrote: post #134

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The difference is sourcehut has like 50 users

Does Codeberg have users? This is the first time I've heard of it and likely the last.

The entire Zig project made a big fuss about moving there recently.

Anecdotally I’ve come across a number of smaller crates in the Rust ecosystem that store their code there. Usually European devs.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by vlugorilla »

trentor wrote: post #26

As with the AI ban this was a community decision done by a majority vote. It seems that most people commenting or writing articles in the last few days don't have a Codeberg account or never visit the forum.

The “majority” is a fiction. I received no email from Codeberg, nor was I aware that a vote was taking place. I use Codeberg as my main code forge. My projects are not vibe-coded, but some are indirectly related to cryptocurrency in that they use some of the same technologies. This decision appears arbitrary, and I no longer trust Codeberg to host my code for the long term. What will the 'majority' come up with next year?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tripzilch »

bArray wrote: post #367

I don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computation…

> with Bitcoin alone using more energy than the entire countries of Argentina or the Netherlands

Btw this particular comparison can be traced back to a single Guardian article from 2021/2022 or so

It's a very weird comparison imho cause what they did (in the original article) was sort all the countries by energy usage, and notice that Bitcoin lies between Argentina and Netherlands. I thought a better comparison would be to consider that air condition uses 20x the amount of electricity globally compared to what Bitcoin uses. You can find a whole lot of other comparisons here: https://ccaf.io/cbnsi/cbeci/ghg/comparisons (the airco comparison is about halfway on the page).

Now I'm not trying to argue that bitcoin doesn't waste a lot of energy, it totally does. It's still a lot of energy and proof-of-work does seem really wasteful. Fortunately not all crypto currencies use proof-of-work.

It's just ... it's a stupid comparison. it doesn't really make anything any clearer to the reader by knowing that the global energy usage of Bitcoin ranges between NL and Argentina.

Anyway, it's not wrong. it's just .. yeah it's a lot? I guess? a country is a lot? Is it just households or also the country's industry? Anyway.

My main point, however, is that quoting a ~4 year old piece of not-so-great journalism shows exactly how much original thought these people gave to the subject. They're basically repeating a line that hardly made sense 4 years ago.

Edit: BTW I want to add, they're giving away a service for free and therefore it's their good right to decide who gets it and who doesn't. And it's my good right to think those reasons are stupid.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by TaLiTr »

lostmsu wrote: post #574
inigyou wrote: post #444

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But you use HN, where what you can see is completely reliant on what kind of politics the admin supports at that time?

Admins on HN rarely delete articles

Yes, because the admins are reasonable. Just like it's possible to find Mastodon servers with reasonable admins.

But the GPs comment blamed Mastodon as a whole for allowing the possibility of admin abuse, which isn't substantially different from HN.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tapoxi »

trollbridge wrote: post #156
fishgoesblub wrote: post #2

Let this be a reminder to never trust any service be it one ran by a billion dollar company, to one ran by volunteers. You will be eventually screwed over. Make backup plans, and self-host whatever you can so nothing can be taken from you. For Git forges, I personally recommend Gitea[1], or Forgejo[2] (a Gitea fork by Codeberg) [1]: https://about.gitea.com/ [2]: https://forgejo.org/

I’m using self hosted GitLab; any reason I should check out something else? (I also mirror projects to public GitLab and to GitHub.)

GitLab is a kitchen sink tool for all the good and bad that entails. Forgejo is much more lightweight.
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