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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by sunshine-o »

bArray wrote: post #367

I don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computation…

Yes if you compare a proof of stake blockchains (most of them) and the banking industry, crypto has a far smaller environmental footprint.

Ethereum (since PoS) was designed to allow anybody to run a validator or even a full node out of modest hardware. The result is that the entire network probably has a smaller footprint than a single small/medium size bank.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by squigz »

p-e-w wrote: post #204
jjmarr wrote: post #75

In the prior words[1] of Gusted, one of the board members that announced the ban: > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom...

So what is Codeberg’s political stance? From which ideology does it follow that crypto projects are bad, but VPN projects are not, for example?

Most people, and indeed groups of people, are far more complex than to be able to say "all my politics flow from this one ideology"

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by joepie91_ »

mbreese wrote: post #173
conartist6 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They banned cypto projects two weeks ago. Today they banned vibecoded projects. https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...

That's a controversial stance. The first statement of not using codeberg hosted projects to train LLMs makes sense. But to outright ban LLM coded projects seems just silly. If the problem is that users have too many vibe coded projects, then limiting the number of projects seems like a more reasonable stance. To completely ban vibe coded projects just limits the number of users that will use them. I get that this is…

Given that they're a non-profit membership association with explicitly political goals where every new user represents a direct cost to the organization, and not a startup on a comfortable cushion of VC moneybags looking to pump the numbers for a quick acquisition, I very much doubt that a "growth strategy" is what they're going for here.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #420
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #81

This is far less controversial than their anti-AI stance which passed today. I have zero sympathies around crypto projects, generally. "Blockchain" feels to me like a venus fly trap that swallows distributed systems engineers and turns them into pseudo-libertarian apologists for money-laundering. But I pulled my project off Codeberg today because of the anti-AI positioning. Not so much because of any specifics in the…

I'm strongly anti-AI, but i upvoted your comment because it's the most reasonable one (in opposition to the AI ban) i've read so far. I haven't read those mastodon threads, but that sounds like a weird discourse. Are they from codeberg eV members or random passers-by (like me)? Would you mind sharing some links to some of those resources?

Just a sample, I'm still drinking my coffee.

https://scholar.social/@silvermoon82@wandering.shop/11696402... "I'm sorry you caught abuse off the slop fondlers. Consent and boundary issues are inbuilt in their community."

Or here, when someone tried to ask for similar clarification: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912 "You're coming off similar to someone trying to probe the limits of consent instead of trying to honor the request in good faith. It's a bad look." "Opening your conversation with a group by saying "well I'll get to violate your group's values a _little_, right?" does not project the mentality of someone who wants to collaborate in good faith."

Or making analogies to Claude Code users being NAZIs? "@piggo @tante I see such a rule as being similar to the "no Nazis" rule. It works by Nazi sympathizers self-identifying by arguing about the rule."

Both those threads have other examples, and there are plenty more other threads like them. It has the smell of a smug in group that allows no dissent.

I am also 80% certain there were comments on the PR (https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253) along similar lines that were removed but I have no backups or screenshots to backup that accusation.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by close04 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #331
close04 wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they use the definition from the HN guidelines [0]: > Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans. Does this change your view of HN? Of Codeberg? Of vibe enforced rules? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That rule's for HN comments, not submissions. Nobody's getting kicked out for vibecoding a project.

You’re trying to make a meaningless distinction to justify holding different parties to different standards: comments are HN’s core content, code is Codeberg’s core content.

HN submissions are links to other platform, so not HN content. Codeberg will let you have links to AI generated content on another platform (like a GH link) so that’s not a worthwhile distinction.

Each platform states a “no AI generated content on our platform” rule or guideline. If you want to resolve the cognitive dissonance that was created when you realized HN does it too, may I suggest using a single standard for both rather than jumping on the weakest way out?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by trollbridge »

Tepix wrote: post #257
trollbridge wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m using self hosted GitLab; any reason I should check out something else? (I also mirror projects to public GitLab and to GitHub.)

The ability for others to send you pull requests without requiring an account on your gitlab instance

I’m referring to the self hosted part. The outside world can send pull requests via the public GitLab mirror, or they can actually also access my self hosted GitLab instance via its public address - although I doubt anyone would bother.

(Pull requests also can, and should, be sent via ways such as submissions to mailing lists.)

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by iamnothere »

dokyun wrote: post #343
iamnothere wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again, the stability of a BDFL is vindicated. Democracy works ok in extremely complex systems like giant distros—Debian’s governance is slow but functional—but it seems to need guardrails around the process. (From what I can tell, an excruciating process is the best guardrail. Glacially slow decision-making means that mobs burn themselves out before they get to voting.)

I wouldn't call Drew DeVault stable, he crashed out after 4chan simultaneously exposed his creation of the RMS report alongside his huge loli porn fixation.

He may not be, but the product has been. Same goes with Theo and OpenBSD.

Hyper-productive people are often volatile. Putting up with it is a necessary tradeoff, as the systems they produce often fill a niche that nobody else will serve adequately.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by iamnothere »

shikck200 wrote: post #319
iamnothere wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about emulators? E2EE? P2P software? Software that gets used to leak state secrets? VPNs? Once you open the door, it’s going to be really difficult to resist political pressure in other areas. The mob is easily swayed against new targets.

Why would P2P/E2EE software be banned? Makes no sense to even compare that to crypto. Its like saying we ban C because the bitcoin is written in it. > Software that gets used to leak state secrets? Thats not really a "thing". If someone uploads something of the sorts, it probably going to be taken down. VPNs follow the same rules as P2P/E2EE, and has nothing to do with crypto. Just look at github, they have taken dow…

> Why would P2P/E2EE software be banned?

Chat Control 2.0? Public pressure campaigns against encryption? The mob decides that it’s “fascist” to prevent snooping?

> Thats not really a "thing".

WikiLeaks and SecureDrop would disagree.

> Just look at github, they have taken down multiple repos during the years that are illegal, and/or breaks their TOS.

Yes, and I’m saying that this is a bad thing. Obviously there may be limited means to contest legal actions (outside of decentralization), but GitHub has been iffy regarding ToS applications in the past.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by veeti »

____mr____ wrote: post #372
jjmarr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are…

> the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. They do not believe this because this is simply not the reality we live in > Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. They are correct in this view. No matter how "apolitical" platforms like Github an…

Do you also see your local library hosting Mein Kampf as statement of support for fascism on part of the librarian?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by RamblingCTO »

inigyou wrote: post #471
RamblingCTO wrote: post #411

While codeberg can do as they please, I'm worried about the walled gardens we're creating all over the place. Be it non-exclusive open source projects (hi gitea) because it's a meeting point for a subset of extremist politics or services like this (not even talking about x, fediverse, etc. etc.). The open and free web seems dead, it's fragmented into oblivion. I always valued the weird and random exchange of ideas th…

Was it less fragmented when everyone had their own website?

Even then you had IRC, BB etc.
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