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Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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To Nvidia the biggest threat is a capex cut from big tech not another company in the same domain, maybe some Chinese companies but people aren't going to be moving off of Nvidia for large deployments in the short term even if some TPU/Tranium etc is used it's not close to Nvidia. I have no explanation other than people, researchers are comfortable with it and don't want to switch.

Nvidia's software support remains "best in class" so they've become the default for a lot of this stuff. To overcome that I think you'd have to get a lot of hobbyists and by extension interested young people using your hardware instead of Nvidia. So you'd have to have good software support, decent hardware, and low hardware cost. People started with Nvidia because most machines had an Nvidia card in them, and Nvidia'…

It's sad that this is true and yet their software is filled with bugs...

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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I thought Nvidia after they invested in Intel killed Intel’s GPU efforts as it could be a threat to Nvidia’s GPUs

A 4% stake doesn't even make Nvidia one of the top 3 holders of Intel stock... They'd be crucified for changing strategy for a 4% stake. Also Nvidia arguably needs Intel more than vice versa, Intel now has SOTA fabs on the newest EUV technology, TSMC is at max capacity and they need to fight Apple and others for allocation...

> TSMC is at max capacity and they need to fight Apple and others for allocation...

Nvidia has (or almost) eclipsed Apple to be the largest customer and definitely has reserved capacity.

> Intel now has SOTA fabs on the newest EUV technology

That's still early. Hard to say Intel can consistently actually produce something good in large volumes yet.

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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I believe Intel has a winner with the upcoming Crescent Island GPUs with up to 480GB of LPDDR5 memory. A lot of SMEs will need local AI with large open weights models (i.e. >1.5TB of VRAM), but they don't need a watercooled 8x Nvidia GB300 box. Besides, it's difficult to deploy and very expensive. Crescent island is air cooled and likely fast enough for a group of users running something like GLM 5.2 or Kimi K3.

I thought Nvidia after they invested in Intel killed Intel’s GPU efforts as it could be a threat to Nvidia’s GPUs

> killed Intel’s GPU efforts

It doesn't matter anymore. Nvidia's core product isn't "GPUs" anymore. It's a whole AI rack. AMD also announced their own of the same. CPU, GPU, network, etc is all bundled.

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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post #40

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I thought Nvidia after they invested in Intel killed Intel’s GPU efforts as it could be a threat to Nvidia’s GPUs

To Nvidia the biggest threat is a capex cut from big tech not another company in the same domain, maybe some Chinese companies but people aren't going to be moving off of Nvidia for large deployments in the short term even if some TPU/Tranium etc is used it's not close to Nvidia. I have no explanation other than people, researchers are comfortable with it and don't want to switch.

> To Nvidia the biggest threat is a capex cut from big tech

Not the biggest. Maybe top 3.

The bigger issue right now is data center expansion speed. You have SpaceX turning up random generators and doing whatever to get it over the line but that's the exception. There are likely stockpiles of GPUs and racks of AI clusters waiting to go online. It's only going to get worse.

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> A great achievement of European science and technology It's an amazing piece of technology but this is... wildly wrong. ASML is a multi-national company that licenses IP largely from USA and Japan, but also Taiwan and Germany. The actual EUV light source is developed and produced in California by Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013. But ASML was only permitted to acquire the company under a strict technology sharing…

The US is currently aggravating practically every other country on the planet and writing like this only pisses everyone else involved all the more. I'm not sure if it's wise to minimise the contributions of everyone else in the current climate tbh.

As opposed to the parent post that left the US out entirely?

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2023 called...

Russia invaded in 2022, Trump was elected in late 2024 and took office in 2025. The out of context quote that kicked all this off was in 2017 or 2018. Somehow you picked the one year out of the last 10 or so that didn't matter for any of this. The really wild thing about this whole narrative is how unlikely this entire sequence of events was. Let's review: 1) Trump gives some rambling answer to an Estonian journalist…

Trump is Mr Magoo

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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There will be no future Xe GPUs. Druid, the 4th generation, has been shelved entirely, and all consumer DGPU products, possibly _all_ DGPU products, have been killed for Celestial. Its likely the only products shipping with Celestial will be IGPUs for the next generation and a half, until Serpent Lake comes out with RTX graphics tiles from Nvidia, and then never another Xe product ever again.

Didn’t somebody claim Battlemage was canceled? But they shipped it?

Battlemage was still while Pat Gelsinger was CEO, and he was the only real champion of that product, understanding its place in Intel's overall strategy.

He doesn't work there anymore, and neither does a significant fraction of the GPU engineering team.

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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Russia invaded in 2022, Trump was elected in late 2024 and took office in 2025. The out of context quote that kicked all this off was in 2017 or 2018. Somehow you picked the one year out of the last 10 or so that didn't matter for any of this. The really wild thing about this whole narrative is how unlikely this entire sequence of events was. Let's review: 1) Trump gives some rambling answer to an Estonian journalist…

Trump is Mr Magoo

Abdul Aziz Trump

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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I wish that, but for high performance RISC-V micro-achitectures.

https://www.eetimes.com/barcelona-bsc-celebrates-tape-out-of...

Clearly something you need to keep an eye on. And "everything pushing RISC-V forward is a good thing".

The trick is with current tension between the US and Spain: hopefully intel won't "be told" to pull out from this project, because I don't thingk TSMC has the production capacity to accomodate such project decently (and RISC-V is a US initiative!!). (I am talking latest silicon process, because without it, even an amazing micro-architecture will be dragged down).

Re: Intel Starts Shipping High-NA EUV Silicon

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post #30

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> A great achievement of European science and technology It's an amazing piece of technology but this is... wildly wrong. ASML is a multi-national company that licenses IP largely from USA and Japan, but also Taiwan and Germany. The actual EUV light source is developed and produced in California by Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013. But ASML was only permitted to acquire the company under a strict technology sharing…

ASML is the only real tech company in the EU. Just let them have this one :)

Europe has ARM, Infinion, Siemens and co.

And Trumpf and no Trump so

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