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Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by selfisekai »

childintime wrote: post #101
KingOfCoders wrote: post #29

What is a vibe coded project? Where does it start? Cursor autocomplete? One shot Github project copies? [Edit] The pull link is https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253/files and says "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (…

They could have tagged these projects with "AI" or "MixedAI", and they'd be removed from the default views. It should also make clear that such projects may have a dubious legal status. Though within businesses no one cares?

It's run by a charity as a public good. Without a profit incentive from it, there is no benefit to public from slop.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by badsectoracula »

cwillu wrote: post #207
badsectoracula wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're mistaken, Codeberg isn't ran by some guy, it is a non-profit organization with ~1200 members (not to be confused with users - there are ~200k users), ~780 members of which have voting rights.

He's not mistaken in any substantive way: it's still not a public square and those ~780 members have every right to make rules that offer a great deal of discretion to those doing the enforcing, and such discretion is entirely consistent with their other rules.

Well, IMO there is a bit of a difference between a "dictator" and a "democracy" :-P.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by mattertoast »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #29

What is a vibe coded project? Where does it start? Cursor autocomplete? One shot Github project copies? [Edit] The pull link is https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253/files and says "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 and § 2 (…

Acting like the decision to ban misween coded projects is a slippery slope is like being surprised that any hosting services refuse to store and maintain petabytes of your lorem ipsum novel.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by alexruf »

I'm not really sure what to make of this. First of all, I think this decision should be left to the project maintainers rather than being dictated by the platform itself. Besides that, I don't think Codeberg is doing itself any favors here. It's kind of turning a blind eye to reality. AI is already an integral part of modern software development and can't just be ignored. For some open-source projects, this obviously makes Codeberg a risky platform to use.

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Post by thih9 »

skeledrew wrote: post #185
thih9 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. This is unlikely. Perhaps “most code”, but not “all”. People can overwhelmingly shift to a new technology, but the old one usually remains in use, even if niche.

Yeah there are still people out there hand-crafting Assembly. Not so sure about punch carding though; maybe some extreme retro getup.

If we don't count player pianos, punch cards originated in textile industry and jacquard looms[1] - and many jacquard loom users rely on punch cards even today.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card#/media/File:Indus...

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Post by [deleted] »

anticorporate wrote: post #210
jazzypants wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would anyone ever be able to arbitrate this? It's an unenforceable policy if you actually care about fairness.

I suspect rather than posting whataboutisms that it would be more useful to adhere to the spirit of the rule rather than asking how close you can get to violating it without actually getting kicked off.

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Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by iepathos »

lionkor wrote: post #117
iepathos wrote: post #113

This seems like a wild basis for a hosting policy. It doesn't ban code shown to be infringing, malicious, insecure, or unmaintained. It bans code based on how Codeberg believes it was produced or some individuals at Codeberg believe it was produced. How would they establish that a project "mostly" consists of AI-written code? Lines, commits, tokens, or architectural importance? There is no reliable detector, and meta…

Maybe this is a fundamental difference in how our societies work, between Germany and the USA. Here, when we go swimming, we leave our phone, keys, and wallets at the beach and just go swimming. It's a trust system, my neighbor won't take my shit because I won't take his shit. So maybe the idea behind the system is to simply ask people who want to upload their slop to not upload their slop, and that that has enough o…

Your two points seem logically at odds. If simply asking people not to upload prohibited material worked without enforcement, then Codeberg's existing copyright policy (and international laws) would already be sufficient. If people don't reliably follow that policy, then adding a vague AI-specific policy with the same enforcement problem changes nothing. What logical connection between AI involvement and copyright infringement does this new rule address that the existing copyright policy does not?

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FinnKuhn »

aveao wrote: post #208
exploderate wrote: post #30

They are a non-profit with a mission to support free software: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/en/bylaws.... However, they do this because of copyright status and harmful code: "7. You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude , OpenAI Codex ). Such projects having an unclear copyright status (see requirements § 2 (1) 1 an…

German court rulings on copyrightability of AI content, as far as I understand, so far have made it so that the person owning the copyright is a) the author, if there's enough creative input b) no one. A lets the author license it as if they wrote it, and B is just public domain, which is in line with their goals still. Their concern of "what if the license goes to model providers" is bonkers, and is completely out o…

> Their concern of "what if the license goes to model providers" is bonkers, and is completely out of line with their decision to ban projects that are mostly written by LLMs.

Under German copyright law, this concern is unfounded. Copyright protection requires a "personal intellectual creation" (persönliche geistige Schöpfung) — a threshold that the provider of an AI model cannot meet, since they merely supply the tool, not the creative act itself. Fearing that a model provider owns the output is like fearing Microsoft owns code written in Visual Studio Code.

Moreover, German copyright can only vest in a natural person, never in a company. So even setting the "personal intellectual creation" issue aside, a corporate model provider is categorically ineligible to hold copyright in the first place.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by FinnKuhn »

gaws wrote: post #202
dvdkon wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm upset because I strongly prefer rules to be unambiguous and enforceable. This is neither.

Just vibe-code an alternative.

No need to vibe-code anything. You can just use their official Forgejo fork from here: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-Infrastructure/forgejo
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