You wouldn't distill a car.
distillation of wheat, barley and malt is delicious, though!
People tried to distill a lot of things.. even oil.
“We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
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#112So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime
It's about the claim of whether these companies could develop a similarly powerful model without larger companies building their own first, which is an important point, and it's likely not the case. It's also about the larger companies explaining why they can't be as efficient, of course they can't, they're not just ripping the outputs of another model that someone else invested billions to train.
Why would that matter? OpenAI or whatever frontier lab couldn't have built their frontier models without the entirety of humanity unknowingly developing their training set for 5000 years.
It would be one thing if Moonshot was breaking into OpenAI servers and stealing trade secrets, but the only thing they are doing is looking at the output of the program, which is exactly the service that OpenAI offers. So, at best, this is a ToS violation. Sucks for the frontier labs I suppose, but live by the sword - die by the sword.
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Smartphones are mostly Chinese now (except for iPhones and Samsung).
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I still believe taxing the bots, and implementing actual UBI, would address both problems.
And I believe a socialist revolution in international solidarity of the working classes against our exploiters the capitalist owning class would address both problems as well (and more), but in the meantime I’ll be happy whenever I spot poetic justice in the wild.
I think we have some historical precedents for this that went less well than you might hope.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#115So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime
"You are trying to kidnap what I have rightfully stolen!"
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So what is the issue here? The issue seems to be the US only likes competition when it is winning. Markets in Asia are meant for cheap labor and resources, they're not meant to actually compete. /s
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Everything you just said describes the major American AI providers.
Anthropic just settled a $1.5B suit over it!
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#117The Irony. These models have been created distilling Internet without ever asking for permission or paying anyone. Internet was the first model.
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#118Does this matter? Distillation is not illegal by every definition of the word. There are millions of samples available on huggingface and models explicitely trained on output produced by fable. There has been no action taken against them. Another example is that it appears that the upper limit of what you can do is ultimately dependent on people working on the model, otherwise grok would be a LOT more competitive pre…
Legal, illegal…
The word I would use is inevitable. It reminds me of the (PC) clones wars…
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? Ford distilled Chinese EVs. https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-ceo-taking-apart-tesla-...
and the Chinese distilled western cars for years and years before that and weren't shy about it.
Sandy Monroe has a business product he sells to Big Auto where he tears down cars, creates a bill of material in incredible detail, and expert notes about the process of how the car is made.
If that's not distillation in the auto industry, I don't know what would be. They all seem fine with, and benefit from, this as an industry.
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#120Cry about it IMO. Anthropic reaps what they sow.