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AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by hayleyest »

embedding-shape wrote: post #15
haunter wrote: post #7

Already down to $280 https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1uz0grn/cpu_... Honestly (apart from the general hardware parts pricing crisis) the problem is that you can get the 7800X3D for almost the same price or just slightly more. Especially if you have a Micro Center nearby you. But it's not bad if you can find a good combo deal with a mobo and RAM, https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=4812%204019%204020%204021&…

> Especially if you have a Micro Center nearby you Do they have stores in every state? Even assuming they have, seems fair to assume maybe just 3-4% of people actually have a Micro Center close enough to visit, oddly specific tip :p

I assumed a 2 hour drive and used an app that told me population within each zip in a 2 hour drive (the furthest I've driven for one, I drove it 3 times, and every time it felt worth it due to the savings on full builds), and excluded overlaps as best I could. I started at the top, and got through 10 of them before I hit 30% of the US population. There are many to go. MC knows where to put their stores. If you feel this is a worthy debate point, define your criteria better, and I will complete the test with those criteria. But I think this why MC is cited so often. They tend to be where those who want them are. Or close enough.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by adrian_b »

wincy wrote: post #23
petra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what perf. this cpu can get in bit/ternary inference, and whether the 512AVX units(or whats it's called on AMD), get throttled.

I’ve heard that AMD chips generate a ton of heat with AVX512 operations, overclockers turn off the instruction set for more stability.

Any CPU generates more heat when it does more work, e.g. when more cores are active, or when using vector instructions.

Using the AVX-512 operations is much more efficient, i.e. the same amount of work can be done by consuming less energy. For instance, if you have a program running an AVX computation on 4 cores, you could double the throughput either by using AVX-512 or by using 8 cores, but the former variant will produce less heat.

For an overclocked system, where the normal power limits of the CPU are disabled, so it can consume a power great enough to exceed the capability of the cooler, it may make sense to disable AVX-512, for fear that one could run accidentally some program that is aware of AVX-512 and which would achieve a greater speed by using it, while also exceeding the power consumption that can be handled by the existing cooler.

On the other hand, on a non-overclocked system or in an overclocked system with a very capable cooler, disabling AVX-512 is always a mistake, which can only increase the average power consumption.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

vkazanov wrote: post #28
voidfunc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Cant sidestep that a vast majority of people want to play those games.

"Kernel anti-cheat" and "spyware" is exactly what i mean. Thry do have millions of players. But that's like 20-30 games out of 1000s that run just fine.

But that is what people play... The quantity does not matter, the quality does.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by embedding-shape »

hayleyest wrote: post #31
embedding-shape wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially if you have a Micro Center nearby you Do they have stores in every state? Even assuming they have, seems fair to assume maybe just 3-4% of people actually have a Micro Center close enough to visit, oddly specific tip :p

I assumed a 2 hour drive and used an app that told me population within each zip in a 2 hour drive (the furthest I've driven for one, I drove it 3 times, and every time it felt worth it due to the savings on full builds), and excluded overlaps as best I could. I started at the top, and got through 10 of them before I hit 30% of the US population. There are many to go. MC knows where to put their stores. If you feel t…

> If you feel this is a worthy debate point, define your criteria better

Not really, was just curious to see a very US-specific tip when most of the population doesn't even live in the US, hence the "at best 3-4%" figure :)

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by embedding-shape »

spaceisballer wrote: post #26
embedding-shape wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially if you have a Micro Center nearby you Do they have stores in every state? Even assuming they have, seems fair to assume maybe just 3-4% of people actually have a Micro Center close enough to visit, oddly specific tip :p

It’s standard practice on the internet when talking about building PCs to mention Micro Center. Either “it’s cheaper if you have a microcenter nearby” or “this same bundle is $50 cheaper at micro center”.

> It’s standard practice on the internet when talking about building PCs to mention Micro Center.

Yeah, I see that all the time in US-specific discussions, but never in more international discussion boards, as Micro Center only has stores in the US.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by simlevesque »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #33
vkazanov wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Kernel anti-cheat" and "spyware" is exactly what i mean. Thry do have millions of players. But that's like 20-30 games out of 1000s that run just fine.

But that is what people play... The quantity does not matter, the quality does.

> But that is what people play

Lots of people don't play them. It's not like we don't have a choice.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by MrVitaliy »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #33
vkazanov wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Kernel anti-cheat" and "spyware" is exactly what i mean. Thry do have millions of players. But that's like 20-30 games out of 1000s that run just fine.

But that is what people play... The quantity does not matter, the quality does.

What people? Very few top games on Steam require kernel-level anti-cheat -- https://steamdb.info/charts/

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by kllrnohj »

voidfunc wrote: post #25
vkazanov wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Far ahead"? DRM'ed spyware, yes. Everything else? Not so much, thanks to the monumental effort of Wine and Proton projects.

If you play AAA games with kernel anti-cheat then Wine and Proton are basically non-starters. Cant sidestep that a vast majority of people want to play those games.

It's primarily only the AAA multiplayer games that have that, not just AAA games in general.

Just browse the Deck Verified page for example: https://www.steamdeck.com/en/verified & https://store.steampowered.com/greatondeck/

Forza Horizon 6 and Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resync'd are both listed, and both are very recent, major AAA game launches. With top-tier Linux compatibility.

It is staggering how different the situation is now as compared to just a couple years ago. Steam Deck (and associated investments by Valve) are damn near a revolution. It's a perfect storm of the incumbent turning to shit at the same time the underdog really got its act together.

If you or your friend group is really into a game that doesn't have Linux support yeah that's a bummer, especially when it's just because of the kernel level anticheat that's horrifying in its own right (triply so when it's for a PVE game, cough cough, helldivers 2, cough cough). But I don't think that's most people anymore. The more casual and indie game scene these days is huge, and of course single player games in general continue to be super popular.

Re: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Gaming Performance for Less

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Post by seabrookmx »

embedding-shape wrote: post #34
hayleyest wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assumed a 2 hour drive and used an app that told me population within each zip in a 2 hour drive (the furthest I've driven for one, I drove it 3 times, and every time it felt worth it due to the savings on full builds), and excluded overlaps as best I could. I started at the top, and got through 10 of them before I hit 30% of the US population. There are many to go. MC knows where to put their stores. If you feel t…

> If you feel this is a worthy debate point, define your criteria better Not really, was just curious to see a very US-specific tip when most of the population doesn't even live in the US, hence the "at best 3-4%" figure :)

The US is the third largest country by population and disproportionately represented here on hackernews (given it's where ycombinator is based), so it doesn't seem that weird to me.

That said, I am jealous of the micro-center deals as a Canadian!

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