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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by bjord »

chrisandchris wrote: post #542
walrus01 wrote: post #538

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Kagi is directly funding Yandex by sending search traffic to it, which then in turn funds the Russian state and war. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kagi+yand... The guy who started it has previously been here on HN defending Kagi's business with Yandex, and personally I think his arguments are BS. Yandex does not add any special feature or functionality that is so great they should make it obligat…

Is it? I can't find an official source that supports that claim. Also, Yandex disinvested from Russia and split the non-Russian business into a different company. So is it Yandex or "Yandex (copy)"? I'm not trying to defend / take a position. I just find it difficult to reason without having an official (up-to-date) source.

no it didn't. the international entity sold off the vast majority of yandex businesses and assets to russian investors, then rebranded to "nebius group". that is to say that the yandex index/api used by kagi is wholly russian-owned and has essentially doubled down on russia/its allies.

if you're curious, the dominant business retained by the international entity was their data center stuff (though yandex still operates its own cloud business in russia/elsewhere).

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by left-struck »

sssilver wrote: post #59

I always thought their top tier offering to their advertiser customers should be "Inconspicuously, over an extended amount of time, subtly respond to the user in a way that nudges them towards purchasing customer's goods and services, without ever directly mentioning anything. Slowly and surely sculpt the person who, through their own volition and thought process, buys what the advertiser needs them to." The ultimate…

Honestly this could be so subtle that you don’t even suggest a particular brand, which would obviously bring a user’s guard up quickly, instead merely suggesting the existing of a product category that the user didn’t know about could be enough for some products or services where it would be worth it for a particular brand to pay even though it would also benefit their competitors.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by jwr »

p-e-w wrote: post #539
jwr wrote: post #499

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Yes, please do. Your support of Russia is the only reason why I stopped using Kagi and paying for Kagi. I really want to like you and use your product.

If you consider supporting a Russian company equivalent to “supporting Russia”, then I assume you are happy to be supporting the United States by using US services… like the one you are on right now.

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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by osener »

c0decracker wrote: post #334
King-Aaron wrote: post #328

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I have been generally involved in the advertising industry for over 20 years, initially as my primary profession and now more on the side. But what I've seen in that time is that advertising provides absolutely zero positives to the consumer.

Well.. doesn't it pay for let's say Superbowl? Or makes NBA possible? Didn't it enable early internet to mature and become internet as we know now? If you're talking about just the first order affects, perhaps I see your point. But broadly speaking, advertising fuels a gigantic part of modern society. Remove it, and who knows what we will find ourselves in.

how is enabling ever bigger and more expensive to produce forms of entertainment making modern society better? remove all that and we won't lose anything. we'll always find a way to entertain ourselves. likely, with more culturally beneficial and social forms of entertainment.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by bjord »

walrus01 wrote: post #544
chrisandchris wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I can't find an official source that supports that claim. Also, Yandex disinvested from Russia and split the non-Russian business into a different company. So is it Yandex or "Yandex (copy)"? I'm not trying to defend / take a position. I just find it difficult to reason without having an official (up-to-date) source.

Trying to say that Yandex isn't a Russian company is preposterous. It's the largest search engine in Russia and runs tons of other online services that are analogous to social media and cloud things in the English and Western European language speaking world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex

they're conflating yandex with the international entity that sold it off to russian investors (now known as "nebius group"). the entire basis of the argument is wrong.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by dismantlethesun »

chrisandchris wrote: post #542
walrus01 wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi is directly funding Yandex by sending search traffic to it, which then in turn funds the Russian state and war. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kagi+yand... The guy who started it has previously been here on HN defending Kagi's business with Yandex, and personally I think his arguments are BS. Yandex does not add any special feature or functionality that is so great they should make it obligat…

Is it? I can't find an official source that supports that claim. Also, Yandex disinvested from Russia and split the non-Russian business into a different company. So is it Yandex or "Yandex (copy)"? I'm not trying to defend / take a position. I just find it difficult to reason without having an official (up-to-date) source.

The non-Russian portion of the company doesn't include the search engine technology.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by dismantlethesun »

walrus01 wrote: post #558
x______________ wrote: post #551

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What about the US-initiated war in Iran?

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Consider that perhaps the person you're responding to really does treat Russian and the US equally... by continuing to import goods from both, and use technology or services from both countries.

Many people in Europe eat Russian fish, warm their houses with Russian natural gas, use American SaaS, and fill their houses with goods made in China.

That doesn't mean they support everything those countries do.

It does mean their solution for nation-state level conflicts isn't a total embargo of the country.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by libertine »

dismantlethesun wrote: post #570
chinathrow wrote: post #534

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They should simply stop using any russian tech at this time.

I don't really see any difference between this and the vast amounts of of Alaska pollock or cod that is imported from Russia.

The difference is information manipulation, like misinformation.

While there should be a complete sanction of Russian products, cod is cod, it's a consumable that has to follow public health standards.

There's no such thing for information, and for many years the Russian state has been trying hard at it.

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