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Post by x______________ »

walrus01 wrote: post #543
siva7 wrote: post #541

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is this a joke? namecheap did years ago the brave move by suspending services to russian customers. why should we support a company that seems involved in russian war affairs?

Unfortunately it appears to not be a joke, my best theory is that either the persons running it have sympathies with Russia and their war efforts, or they value the marginal gain in revenue from having Yandex integrated in some sort of ultra cut throat free market capitalism approach with no qualms or concerns about anything ethical or moral.

What about the US-initiated war in Iran?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by layer8 »

bunnybomb2 wrote: post #23
arm32 wrote: post #5

I'm confused. This is (publicly stated) the last resort for OpenAI, right?

I though openAI has plenty of investors/users? Are they really that much in debt/trouble?

Most of OpenAI‘s users are using the free tier, and have little incentive to change that.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by kubanczyk »

sebastiennight wrote: post #180
onestay42 wrote: post #171

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IIRC things like this were why so many companies were called ACME.

Soooo many companies in the French Yellow Pages with names that would translate to "AAA Plumbers", "A, A & Associates Locksmith Company"

ááattsistaawa means "rabbit, hare" for those who prefer real words (language of Blackfoot Indians, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%A1%C3%A1attsistaa-)

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Otterly99 »

blfr wrote: post #464
kubb wrote: post #400

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The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

The YouTube golden age is right now. The content is the most varied, from super niche 2k views a video vloggers to massive terrestrial channels alternatives. To the point where I think creative poverty of established fields is caused by younger creatives being on YouTube and TikTok instead of writing rooms at old media. Windows has fallen off hard but Linux has never been better. The personal computing in general has…

The actual content yes, but the recommendation engine switching from "Here is a video that is kind of like this one, you might like it" to "Here is a video that we predict will keep you on this website for as long as possible" definitely soured the experience.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

p-e-w wrote: post #539
jwr wrote: post #499

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Yes, please do. Your support of Russia is the only reason why I stopped using Kagi and paying for Kagi. I really want to like you and use your product.

If you consider supporting a Russian company equivalent to “supporting Russia”, then I assume you are happy to be supporting the United States by using US services… like the one you are on right now.

Also, people seem to be oblivious to the existence of the neo-cloud: Nebius whose services and servers, a lot of western AI companies use. Nebius was spun out of Yandex 2 years ago to assuage the "supporting Russia" allegations and is still run and managed by an ex-Yandex crew. By that measure, I suppose using a lot of western AI tools is also equivalent to "supporting Russia".

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by My_Name »

"Consumers are increasingly turning to platforms like ChatGPT to research and make decisions because traditional searches have been ruined by advertising, so it’s important that we show up to ruin those moments as well"

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by quotrend »

bambax wrote: post #475
dijit wrote: post #357

I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this. If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.

At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.

This already has a name — people call it GEO/AEO. I do the legitimate end of it for my own site: structured data, clean factual pages, llms.txt, so that when an assistant answers a question in my domain it cites the source correctly. Right now the incentives are healthy, because the only way to "rank" in an answer is to be genuinely accurate and citable.

Paid placement inside answers breaks that alignment. Why invest in being citable when you can buy the token stream? Search took about fifteen years to fully make that trade. LLMs seem to be starting on it in year three.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by walrus01 »

x______________ wrote: post #551
walrus01 wrote: post #543

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Unfortunately it appears to not be a joke, my best theory is that either the persons running it have sympathies with Russia and their war efforts, or they value the marginal gain in revenue from having Yandex integrated in some sort of ultra cut throat free market capitalism approach with no qualms or concerns about anything ethical or moral.

What about the US-initiated war in Iran?

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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by layer8 »

c0decracker wrote: post #315

Perhaps that's an unpopular take -- but I actually would like it go even further. I don't mind ads in fact good ones I find quite useful. Since you, my dear ChatGiPiTi know so much about me, just show me stuff that reflects what I value. In fact I wouldn't even mind paying for that. The problem now is less that of discovery and more that of curation, so if it helps me find good things (but "good" for my definition of…

You know that it won’t be doing that, the tech for that either just isn’t there yet, or is more costly than your average purchase.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

chrisandchris wrote: post #542
walrus01 wrote: post #538

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Kagi is directly funding Yandex by sending search traffic to it, which then in turn funds the Russian state and war. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=kagi+yand... The guy who started it has previously been here on HN defending Kagi's business with Yandex, and personally I think his arguments are BS. Yandex does not add any special feature or functionality that is so great they should make it obligat…

Is it? I can't find an official source that supports that claim. Also, Yandex disinvested from Russia and split the non-Russian business into a different company. So is it Yandex or "Yandex (copy)"? I'm not trying to defend / take a position. I just find it difficult to reason without having an official (up-to-date) source.

It is https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...
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