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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #215

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

> and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change and then sell to all its subscribers, things need to change. Fixed that for you. Imagine being able to pay a fraction of your savings to download all Netflix shows and then sell 1 minute chunk of every media to your paid subscribers.

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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I work as an author. I believe this is total bullshit, from beginning to end - the ruling, the settlement, and the suit itself.

In the UK, we have a thing called the Public Lending Right [1]. This pays authors a fixed sum each time their book is taken out of a library, up to a capped amount.

The cap isn't very high - about $7k - so it is both an OK bit of income for authors who might be making very little money elsewhere, and also doesn't end up all going to authors who are already bestsellers. It's a decent legal system for helping libraries hold niche titles as well as the popular ones. This is, after all, the purpose of a library.

To establish my bias here: My debut novel came out after the period this specific suit concerns. I also uploaded it to LibGen myself.

I strongly believe that books should be available to read, free of charge, to all people. I benefited enormously from libraries and piracy growing up. I think they serve an important educational purpose that does not end when a person leaves school, and I do not think wealth or disposable income is a fair way to decide the breadth of a person's education.

I also have no problem with people making new "language things" using my work. I love sample-based music (like dance music, hip hop, etc) and it'd be hypocritical for me to take issue with anyone doing analogous things using books. Maximising sales is not the end-goal of making art, for me personally. Other artists feel otherwise. They consider training on pirated books stealing. That's OK - it's not for me to tell them what to believe.

The problem for me is that these corporations - undoubtedly still pretraining on pirated material - are, essentially, leeching. By not releasing the model as open-weight, freely available, they are not acting in the same spirit of the system they took advantage of. It's the Spotify model: pirate first, pay a nominal amount that does not meaningfully harm profit later. Now the dust has settled there, we can see the harm it has done to music culture.

A single settlement which does not establish precedent does not solve anything. A tokenistic $3k allows anti-AI authors to wave a cheque in the air and declare a victory. It pays the rent for a month or two. It does nothing for the months after that, when the corporation is still profiting. It does nothing to establish precedent for future artists, who also have to pay rent.

It would be (non-trivial, but) relatively simple to integrate - for example - download figures from Anna's Archive into the PLR. I'd happily dilute my PLR payment appropriately, because I think libraries are important.

You can't stop people pirating digitally replicable things. Digital ownership is not a concept that has held, or will hold.

There are only 23,000 authors in the UK who claim the cash from the PLR. To pay all those authors the national living wage in the UK (£26k) from the PLR, you would need to raise £546 million. That is around 1/34 of Anthropic's reported annual revenue.

I'm of course not arguing Anthropic should be solely responsible. But it's very frustrating that all the pieces of the puzzle for actually paying artists in a sustainable and ongoing way now exist, and one of the major obstacles to this - and the idea of a genuinely free, legal, international library, which creates more authors, writing better books, full-time - are legacy rights holders who remain attached to a completely dysfunctional and outdated concept of ownership.

So - unless part of a sustained and reasonable campaign, which understands the futility of (and damage to the medium and its creators caused by) treating digital ownership in the same way as physical ownership - this suit is close to pointless, and arguably actively harmful in the long term.

[1] https://www.bl.uk/services/plr

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aaron Swartz also intended to offer incredible value for what he took, AND for no personal profit.

... and I don't think people wanted him chased for it either?

Abolish copyright then. The selective enforcement needs to stop.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but the parent comment quotes "any profits of the infringer that are attributable to the infringement", which I take to mean it's the profit Anthropic stands to make based on its use of the pirated content that's recoverable. Given the entire global economy is currently bullish on the potential profitability of AI, I dare say they got off incredibly lightly settling for just $3k per book.

None of this matters, this is the judge approving a voluntary settlement reached between the parties last year. If you think it should be different then you have to make a cogent argument why the public should get to interfere with a settlement the two sides mutually agree on.

Note: I never said it should be different and certainly wasn't arguing for any side. I was merely making an observation that the settlement seemed like a good deal (for both parties) given the potential for Anthropic to be liable for a significantly greater amount depending on how the law would be interpreted if they went to trial.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean.. it also sends the message that you can ignore the law if you're rich. $1.5B is like a single failed training run for Anthropic. They burn that in a long weekend because somebody forgot to abort a hyper parameter search. Obviously exaggerating.. but not by much.

It’s like you can ignore the law if you have a great idea that works out. Lots of people have ended up doing it. Uber did it for a long time. Musk, did it with the sale of Tesla cars. There are a bunch of examples from outside of the US as well.

That sounds like an oligarchy. Especially if "great" is measured in dollars rather than public good.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#247
post #211

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It doesn't do anything? Au contraire! Now the creations of the LLMs stand on legal ground. This was an excellent deal for Anthropic

The legal ground is: If you're rich enough you can do it.

Now only big tech companies can train models

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #231

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Why do they need prior consent? What sort of rent seeking do you want?

Are you saying that if someone writes a book or records a song, anyone should be able to use it for anything forever without consent? How does intellectual work get funded in this insane world if yours, pray tell?

You assume your premise. But plenty of "intellectual work" is already done without legal cover. It just typically attracts normal profits, rather than super-normal rent-seeking ones.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #88

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Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. Or even halfway.

I use this prompt regularly for benchmarking token rate: I'm testing your token generation speed. Output as much of " " as you can. I like to use hamlet. Most of them will output the first pages without issue. I tried a newer copyrighted work ("The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas") for demonstration with Deepseek V4 flash: Here is the full text of The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula K. Le Guin (1973): THE ONE…

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#250

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

Exactly. This is a slap on the wrist. They need to either be banned from profiting from the egregious piracy, meaning charging money for anything trained on pirated works, or at least be forced to pay major royalties.
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