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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#211

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It doesn't do anything?

Au contraire! Now the creations of the LLMs stand on legal ground. This was an excellent deal for Anthropic

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Because no one wants that. They’re offering incredible value for what they took.

Aaron Swartz also intended to offer incredible value for what he took, AND for no personal profit.

That’s the difference between breaking the law as an individual and doing it as a corporation.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Because no one wants that. They’re offering incredible value for what they took.

Aaron Swartz also intended to offer incredible value for what he took, AND for no personal profit.

... and I don't think people wanted him chased for it either?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. Or even halfway.

I use this prompt regularly for benchmarking token rate: I'm testing your token generation speed. Output as much of " " as you can. I like to use hamlet. Most of them will output the first pages without issue. I tried a newer copyrighted work ("The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas") for demonstration with Deepseek V4 flash: Here is the full text of The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula K. Le Guin (1973): THE ONE…

Does that still work for copyrighted things in major-lab models, or only open models?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#215

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

> and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

and then sell to all its subscribers, things need to change.

Fixed that for you.

Imagine being able to pay a fraction of your savings to download all Netflix shows and then sell 1 minute chunk of every media to your paid subscribers.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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It's an unfortunate outcome. Now to be a big player in AI, you have to have enough capital to buy your own library worth of books and digitize them. (Fun fact: a pallet of books is called a "gaylord," and they buy hundreds of gaylords.) I created books3 to help settle the question of whether AI companies should be allowed to train on books. The outcome of "it's okay to pirate books as long as you're only training on…

Ladder-pulling at its best. It's also easier to swallow the fine once you've launched a successful product after pirating the books.

Judging by the current comment section, most HN people seem to want the ladder pulled

(an observation, not agreement)

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #211

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It doesn't do anything? Au contraire! Now the creations of the LLMs stand on legal ground. This was an excellent deal for Anthropic

Yeah, it's always interesting the two-sides of a situation like this. Add regulation/enforcement to the big companies and you often shut out the smaller ones following.

Meta also has copyright lawsuits for the open models they released, so open models are not immune.

... unless the line we want to draw is "american orgs pay, others don't", as currently seems to be happening.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? It's funny that crimes can be settled in cash. IOW, everything has a price; and the price is always right. Settlement ought to be the euphemism for blood money. In addition to the settlement, what I'd consider fair is to have these companies pay royalties in perpetuity. Of course, that's not tractable.

> So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? No, that's what they got in trouble for - a lack of consent. If the author consents, it would have been fine. If they bought the books, then it is fine. Digitisation through destruction, like most book scanning systems. As long as the original work is destroyed during the process, and you actually paid f…

That’s what the got a _slap on the wrist for_. 1.5 Billion of a payout to effectively cement themselves as one of the only orgs that can ever create one of these models because the ladder is pulled up behind them.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#219

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> Anthropic, through this settlement, has been forced to pay back, at least something… Kim would likely not have had enough money to compensate the victims and probably caused some more direct dammage by sharing pirated content. You're thinking civil. They're talking criminal. Criminal law enforcement does not (well, isn't supposed to) look at your ability to compensate before deciding what to charge you with.

Since we're on the criminal side - what criminal statute would apply to Anthropic? And what criminal statutes were used for the cases we're supposed to compare to?

Presumably some of the ones that applied to Aaron Swartz. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Arrest_and_prosec...

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