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Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by npn »

npn wrote: post #10

tested the models on aistudio. despite that the knowledge cut off is march 2026 it still knows nothing about 2025! you can check by asking "list notable world events in 2025, only list unplanned" on aistudio. or you can ask for Charlie Kirk, it also does not know. I tried it multiple time to ensure that I didn't not get routed to older models! > but google has search irrelevant, without deeper knowledge about cutting…

update: the knowledge cut off date is "unknown" now.

funny because some people downvoted me believed that there is no relation between knowledge cut off date and real world events. that's not how it works!

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by wolvesechoes »

redox99 wrote: post #297
awongh wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like there are some credible rumors that Google is actually winning in terms of actually building models that work and don't lose money- between how they're able to price them, the TPU advantage and their capex advantage (being able to raise debt + just having a lot of cash - well I said not lose money... more like not go bankrupt). From the outside they look like they're behind in terms of frontier models,…

They basically don't exist in the currently most profitable LLM market (coding). Yes, subs like codex are heavily subsidized. But API billing has massive margins and that's what enterprises pay.

> They basically don't exist in the currently most profitable LLM market (coding).

I think you overestimate long-term relevance of popularity among code monkeys.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by nicce »

lilytweed wrote: post #320

Really, what's up with Gemini still not supporting connectors/MCPs/plugins/whatever-they're-called-this-month on web? It makes it a non-starter for any kind of serious use.

Why would you use them on the web? Serious use happens elsewhere.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by wolvesechoes »

notatoad wrote: post #299
stonewhite wrote: post #90

Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products. They literally forced me and my company out of Antigravity by phasing out AI Ultra subscription without any proper product follow-up. Antigravity IDE cannot even have poweruser subscriptions now from Google Workspace an Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform cannot be attached to Antigravity IDE. Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform has an…

i've got to wonder how much of this is intentional, and how much of this is just google being their usual terrible selves at anything consumer-product related. Google's biggest and most important customer for all this AI stuff is google. Do they actually want other customers, or is having other people use their AI just an annoyance at this point, where we use up compute that they'd rather use internally...

> google being their usual terrible selves at anything consumer-product related

And yet millions of people around the world are using their stuff, very often using only their stuff.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by wolvesechoes »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #386
giancarlostoro wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I trust Google to: * Abruptly ban me and all users from a Google Workspace for no reason whatsoever. * Abruptly shut down a service. I'll never give Google my direct money.

Life gets simpler and better as soon as you stop giving money to Google. It’s so silly that individual people still use their shit. Corporations, I understand - they always choose the most mediocre stacks and tools by default. But why people choose to bring the mediocrity of Google into their lives is beyond me.

> But why people choose to bring the mediocrity of Google into their lives is beyond me.

Because life gets simpler and better if you are just using what is available on your phone and in your browser instead of constantly chasing current HN darling.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by wolvesechoes »

epolanski wrote: post #333
stonewhite wrote: post #90

Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products. They literally forced me and my company out of Antigravity by phasing out AI Ultra subscription without any proper product follow-up. Antigravity IDE cannot even have poweruser subscriptions now from Google Workspace an Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform cannot be attached to Antigravity IDE. Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform has an…

> Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products. HN lives in a bubble. I have German/Italian/Polish clients virtually all use Gemini and NotebookLM. Talking insurance, banking, consulting, legal. The real world doesn't look at pointless benchmarks on writing react tailwind crap, they are already google suite users, get the tools, test them and adopt them, end of story. It's g…

Yup, it is often mind-boggling how people here are detached from reality. Millions of people around the world rely on Google services, Gemini in all probability is the most used model consumer-wise, Google receives unimaginable stream of data on even smallest habits common people have etc.

But hey, Gemini makes shittier job than Fable at producing my shitty "app" no one cares about. It is so over for Google!

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by bjackman »

postalcoder wrote: post #53

I wonder how big the Pro model is that Google is using behind the scenes to train these smaller ones. Going on baseless speculation, the lack of accompanying pro models with these flash releases either means: 1) the model is too big to be economical, 2) google doesn't have the compute to serve the big model, 3) their big model has too many alignment issues to serve to the public. edit: looks like benchmarks are up on…

> This is a very fast model.

I was already impressed by how fast 3.5 Flash was. But I've never compared it to other models in its class for coding.

Why? Coz models in that class are not very useful to me. Time saved waiting for responses usually just turns into time wasted replying to low quality responses.

Google need to release a Pro model ASAP. I am skeptical of the "maybe they don't have the compute to run it" thing. Anthropic were (probably) in that situation with Mythos and they announced it anyway - that's the obvious play for investor relations as well as hype for your product.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by le-mark »

janalsncm wrote: post #503
chrsw wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google can't compete with China, neither can Meta. Only two labs in the US can keep chucking billions at the frontier race. Everyone else has a real business to run. China can keep up because it's cheaper to run a frontier lab there. They also have more researchers and a stronger cultural inclination for this sort of thing. And I guess the business case in China doesn't have to work as well as it does in the US.

> China can keep up because it's cheaper to run a frontier lab there Not sure if this is what you meant, but their training runs are significantly cheaper. This was one of the big shockers from the Deepseek R1 paper. US foreign policy has helped to ensure that the Chinese are compute constrained, so they literally cannot buy the most expensive and powerful training rigs. This has led to a steady drumbeat of innovatio…

I’ve often thought it was the cost of electricity and crypto mining being banned a few years ago. China has a lot of “stranded electricity” which fits this usecase well.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by mythz »

Andrex wrote: post #456
mythz wrote: post #136

Always happy to see new Gemini releases as IMO Antigravity Pro 16.67/mo plan (Annual) is still the best plan available and have been pretty happy with Antigravity IDE. If it wasn't for Gemini/Antigravity I'd have to go with a Max Claude plan, as it stands now I can get by with just a Claude Pro plan to get Opus when I need it, whilst using Antigravity as my day-to-day workhorse. Unfortunately Gemini Flash became too…

What's the current outlook on Antigravity IDE vs. 2.0? How long will they begrudgingly keep it going before kicking everyone to 2.0/3.0? (I actually use a mix of both for some offline projects, nothing serious.)

Antigravity is now split into 2 Apps:

'Antigravity' which is an agent-first editor layout where you don't see your code and just prompt it.

'Antigravity IDE' which uses the Windsurf/VS Code editor, which is still what I primarily use in my day-to-day.

I hope they never retire the IDE, I don't think I can get used to prompting an AI Agent without being able to see my code to help workout what needs to be done.

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